R
Robert
Guest
I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
List/Digest Admin
65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
-----Original Message-----
From: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:05 AM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Digest Number 874
THE AMPHICAR-LOVERS LIST
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Before posting requests for information, please check the List
Archives:
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For more information about this List and other available services
visit:
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
List/Digest Admin
65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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