generator or alternator

R

Robert

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I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?

Rob Vondracek

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents

Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?

My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.

I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.

And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!

Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos

Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs

I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.

I need six.

Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.

At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.

If anyone would like some let me know.

Scott Moses..


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator

Howdy All,

Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.

Later!
Dan


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)

Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.

I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.

At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.

I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.

Cheers,

Mike Israel
List/Digest Admin
65 Amphi (White)


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator


----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator


Howdy All,

Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.

Later!
Dan

Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.

Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator

If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:

http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm

this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.

Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.

This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.

Why? Well, why not?


Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy


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Ed Price

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----- Original Message -----
From: Robert
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] generator or alternator


I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?

Rob Vondracek



Rob:

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, so let me address some things one
at a time.

First, a generator / voltage regulator is inherently less reliable than an
alternator. In an alternator, you have a slotted commutator rotating under two
carbon brushes. As each brush goes past each insulating slot between the
conductive commutator pads, there is a momentary electrical arc. This arc
creates electrical noise, and also works to erode the commutator pads,
insulation and carbon brushes. In an alternator, there are continuous slip-rings
with carbon brushes. There's much less arcing, and wear is greatly reduced.

In the voltage regulator, there are at least two electromagnets. The one which
regulates generator output has an armature (the spring-loaded moveable pole
piece) which is constantly "dancing" on its electrical contacts. The duty cycle
of this "dance" controls the generator field current, which in turn controls the
generator output. This contact "dance" is actually a mechanical pulse-width
modulation scheme. Needless to say, the continuous switching causes RF noise,
and slowly erodes the contacts. An alternator simply does not have an external
mechanical voltage regulator, again, making the alternator system inherently
more reliable.

OTOH, automotive generator / voltage regulator technology had quite a while to
mature, so its reliability got to a fairly decent level. It's just that
alternators are better. There's no checking the alternator brushes and cleaning
the voltage regulator contacts. Wiring is simpler, less copper is used, there's
no need to provide "real-estate" room in the engine compartment for the voltage
regulator (because it's not there), and, an alternator is smaller and lighter
than a comparable-rated generator.

The big appeal of an alternator is that, at low RPM, it will put out more
current that a generator. Just as an exercise, let's look at the power budget in
an operating Amphi. (I'm making some estimates here, but I think the numbers are
good.) Let's say you are cruising along at a modest 1800 RPM. The engine
electricals need about 4 amps, the battery is taking 2 amps of charge, and the
radio is taking another amp. Total system load is 7 amps, and the generator can
supply this, so everything is fine. But then the bilge pump goes on, drawing 8
amps. Now the total system load is 15 amps, and the generator can only supply
about 9 amps, so there's now a net drain on the battery of 6 amps. And, if you
were to slow down to idle, the generator could only supply maybe 4 amps, so then
there would be a net drain of 11 amps on the battery. Now, a battery in good
condition could supply 11 amps for several hours.

Look at the ratings; the Amphi generator is rated at a maximum of 21 amps (at
maybe 3500 engine RPM). A plain vanilla Chevy alternator would be rated at 55
amps. The alternator gives you much more safety margin, and the margin gets
bigger at the low RPM range.

Now, about your trip plans. <g> Now, I can understand the idea of having your
own spare on a road trip if you have an unusual car that doesn't show up in any
mechanic's parts book. I can't imagine bringing a spare generator & voltage
regulator along on a trip. But, if you have to worry about your generator that
much, you should replace it before going anywhere. And, if you replaced it with
an alternator, especially a very common one like something from a mid-eighties
GM, then you could find a replacement anywhere you go. (Don't carry heavy spare
parts, your credit card will work just fine.)

Finally, the effort. Well, the conversion isn't all that hard, and you do it
only once. If it was mid-summer, and I didn't mind the headlights dimming
whenever I stepped on the brake, then I wouldn't bother. But, if you are already
tearing into other Amphi jobs in mid-winter, I think the alternator conversion
is a prudent improvement.

Regards,

Ed
El Cajon, CA
67 Rust Guppy


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Eric Mattlin

Guest
I think you're wrong. I'm not certain what a voltage regulator runs
but they were pricey. Alternators aren't that much. The only hassle
is the gas guage and in recent times new members appear to have
solved this.

Mr. Friese can expand on the cost of the gas guage conversion as he
has done several now (unless I'm not thinking of the right person).
I love my converted Amphicar. I love the sound of my Sony CD player
without the interference of the voltage regulator. And I really like
the metal pulley on my alternator as it has never flown to pieces
(knock on wood) like those wonderful bakelite once tend to.






--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rjv@d...> wrote:
> I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it
worth the
> effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But
only a
> fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without
bringing a
> spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of
these
> spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to
an
> alternator. Am I wrong?
>
> Rob Vondracek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Digest Number 874
>
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> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
> From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@y...>" <Amphipoda@y...>
> 2. Re: more photos
> From: "gord souter" <houseboats@e...>
> 3. I'm making pressure plate springs
> From: "scott" <smosesks@h...>
> 4. Autozone Starter And Generator
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@a...>
> 5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
> From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@y...>
> 6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> 7. Tire Size Calculator
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
> From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@y...>" <Amphipoda@y...>
> Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
>
> Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
> Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
> made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
> adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
> Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
> Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
> folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
> & I are once again at peace with the world, but
> I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
> expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
>
> My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
> newsletter. Another stellar issues.
> 2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
>
> I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
> Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
> California folk please contact me off list for
> more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
> and the awesome Amphi hauling group
> discount rate. I will also post something
> more detailed/formal in the March/April
> newsletter.
>
> And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
> ever stop posting your alternative parts
> successes and failures. We all benefit
> from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
> how insignificant or trivial. And some of
> Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
> on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
> Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
> Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
> Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
> Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
> so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
> See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
>
> Amphipoda
> '64 Turquoise
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
> From: "gord souter" <houseboats@e...>
> Subject: Re: more photos
>
> Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
> one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
> Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I
have just
> reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in
gray but I
> painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
> Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
> Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque
Boat Clubs
> dispay there..
> GORD SOUTER
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
> From: "scott" <smosesks@h...>
> Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
>
> I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the
release
> bearing ring on the levers made.
>
> I need six.
>
> Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
>
> At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price
brake. I
> should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of
springs
> for all kinds of stuff.
>
> If anyone would like some let me know.
>
> Scott Moses..
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@a...>
> Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
> pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter
motor
> and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear
to be
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
> (part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017).
$10
> core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away.
Their
> computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68
spit.
> I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
>
> Later!
> Dan
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@y...>
> Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
>
> Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
> once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
> enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
> alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
> the motivating factors for creating this list way back
> when.
>
> I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
> one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
> willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
> convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
> make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
> components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
> tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
> Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
> would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
> sense to support those who support us.
>
> At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
> herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
> for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
> either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
> from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
> (his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
> people have identified less expensive or better parts
> for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
> provides them with the usual level of service and
> convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
> wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
> would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
> parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
> flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
>
> I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
> (non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
> clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
> Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
> designator after the part number. Nothing is more
> frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
> an "original component" only to find it is an odd
> fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike Israel
> List/Digest Admin
> 65 Amphi (White)
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
> pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a
starter motor
> and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and
appear to be
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the
starter
> (part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017).
$10
> core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right
away. Their
> computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68
spit.
> I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
>
> Later!
> Dan
>
> Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
> alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod
(and might
> also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate
to keep up
> with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid
of the
> voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always
a
> trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will
perform better
> at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
>
> Ed
> El Cajon
> 67 Rust Guppy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> Subject: Tire Size Calculator
>
> If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will
have on
> your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
>
> http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
>
> The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size
Chart at:
>
> http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
>
> this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
>
> Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
> instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and
small tire
> distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a
15". If
> you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the
external
> form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo
error or
> the tire hitting the body.
>
> This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid
steel
> wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it
doesn't come
> in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a
wheel that
> would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
>
> Why? Well, why not?
>
>
> Ed
> El Cajon
> 67 Rust Guppy
>
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Re: Re: generator or alternator

Dan is correct: I also purchased a generator at Autozone in sept of 01 and the
price was $56.99 plus a $10.00 core. Since they are dependable I've never had
to use it on any of my cars but it was cheap so I purchased it along with a
couple of starters for $54.50 each. (the starters do go bad easily) Keep in
mind these Autozone items come with a LIFETIME WARRANTY and they keep your
number on file. Hey, dependable, cheap and a lifetime warranty........

Alternator conversions are fine but don't do it because they are more likely to
go bad. Just about everyone I know who's went to an alternator on their amphi
has had one or more go bad quickly. I've never heard of anyones generator going
bad.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Mattlin <ericm_60707@yahoo.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: generator or alternator


I think you're wrong. I'm not certain what a voltage regulator runs
but they were pricey. Alternators aren't that much. The only hassle
is the gas guage and in recent times new members appear to have
solved this.

Mr. Friese can expand on the cost of the gas guage conversion as he
has done several now (unless I'm not thinking of the right person).
I love my converted Amphicar. I love the sound of my Sony CD player
without the interference of the voltage regulator. And I really like
the metal pulley on my alternator as it has never flown to pieces
(knock on wood) like those wonderful bakelite once tend to.






--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rjv@d...> wrote:
> I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it
worth the
> effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But
only a
> fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without
bringing a
> spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of
these
> spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to
an
> alternator. Am I wrong?
>
> Rob Vondracek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Digest Number 874
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> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
> From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@y...>" <Amphipoda@y...>
> 2. Re: more photos
> From: "gord souter" <houseboats@e...>
> 3. I'm making pressure plate springs
> From: "scott" <smosesks@h...>
> 4. Autozone Starter And Generator
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@a...>
> 5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
> From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@y...>
> 6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> 7. Tire Size Calculator
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
> From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@y...>" <Amphipoda@y...>
> Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
>
> Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
> Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
> made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
> adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
> Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
> Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
> folks as always - huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
> & I are once again at peace with the world, but
> I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
> expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
>
> My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
> newsletter. Another stellar issues.
> 2003. the year of Amphi indeed.
>
> I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
> Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
> California folk please contact me off list for
> more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
> and the awesome Amphi hauling group
> discount rate. I will also post something
> more detailed/formal in the March/April
> newsletter.
>
> And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
> ever stop posting your alternative parts
> successes and failures. We all benefit
> from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
> how insignificant or trivial. And some of
> Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
> on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
> Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
> Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
> Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
> Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
> so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
> See ya in Celina - the place to be in 2003!!!
>
> Amphipoda
> '64 Turquoise
> San Diego, CA
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
> From: "gord souter" <houseboats@e...>
> Subject: Re: more photos
>
> Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
> one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
> Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I
have just
> reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in
gray but I
> painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
> Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
> Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque
Boat Clubs
> dispay there..
> GORD SOUTER
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
> From: "scott" <smosesks@h...>
> Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
>
> I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the
release
> bearing ring on the levers made.
>
> I need six.
>
> Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
>
> At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price
brake. I
> should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of
springs
> for all kinds of stuff.
>
> If anyone would like some let me know.
>
> Scott Moses..
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@a...>
> Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
> pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter
motor
> and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear
to be
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
> (part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017).
$10
> core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away.
Their
> computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68
spit.
> I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
>
> Later!
> Dan
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@y...>
> Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
>
> Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
> once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
> enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
> alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
> the motivating factors for creating this list way back
> when.
>
> I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
> one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
> willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
> convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
> make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
> components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
> tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
> Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
> would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
> sense to support those who support us.
>
> At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
> herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
> for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
> either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
> from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
> (his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
> people have identified less expensive or better parts
> for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
> provides them with the usual level of service and
> convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
> wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
> would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
> parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
> flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
>
> I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
> (non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
> clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
> Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
> designator after the part number. Nothing is more
> frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
> an "original component" only to find it is an odd
> fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike Israel
> List/Digest Admin
> 65 Amphi (White)
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
> pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a
starter motor
> and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and
appear to be
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the
starter
> (part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017).
$10
> core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right
away. Their
> computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68
spit.
> I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
>
> Later!
> Dan
>
> Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
> alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod
(and might
> also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate
to keep up
> with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid
of the
> voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always
a
> trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will
perform better
> at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
>
> Ed
> El Cajon
> 67 Rust Guppy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
> From: "Ed Price" <edprice@c...>
> Subject: Tire Size Calculator
>
> If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will
have on
> your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
>
> http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
>
> The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size
Chart at:
>
> http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
>
> this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
>
> Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
> instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and
small tire
> distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a
15". If
> you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the
external
> form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo
error or
> the tire hitting the body.
>
> This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid
steel
> wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it
doesn't come
> in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a
wheel that
> would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
>
> Why? Well, why not?
>
>
> Ed
> El Cajon
> 67 Rust Guppy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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