Water Injection, Anyone?

Bill Connelly · Jan 24, 2007

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OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collectivewisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):<o

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No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand experiencewith 'Water Injection' in anAmphicar or any other vehicle?<o

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Water injection systemsbasicallyspray or draw afine streamor mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor or fuel injectors, typicallybased on intake vacuum, RPM or other measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rateof the gasoline in the combustion chambers andso effectively raising the octane number (which isjust a measurement of burn rate: the higher the octane number, the slower it burns).<o

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Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy of the internal combustion engine (as earlyas 1904 a combined water injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased power and higher altitudes,they first experienced their real heydey ofpopular useas aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and'80s when the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing fromthe pumps. Such systems were saidto reduce or eliminate harmful engine ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded 'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said toimprove power andgas mileage, andare often found strongly recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive 1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titledRX for RV: Trailer Life's RX for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills, California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarketinjector kits were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"), Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and others, while somecurrent turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab 99 even come withfactory-installed units as an option.<o

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I have recently purchased an old new-in-box EdelbrockVara-Jection water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours.Ithas also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps even providea marginal power boost tohelpourAmphicars haul themselves upthose bighills too. So, I thought I should ask you all about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about water injection and engines,but are there any thoughts or experiences on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde? <o

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Bill Connelly · Jan 24, 2007

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OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collectivewisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):<o

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No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand experiencewith 'Water Injection' in anAmphicar or any other vehicle?<o

></o

>
<o

></o

>
Water injection systemsbasicallyspray or draw afine streamor mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor or fuel injectors, typicallybased on intake vacuum, RPM or other measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rateof the gasoline in the combustion chambers andso effectively raising the octane number (which isjust a measurement of burn rate: the higher the octane number, the slower it burns).<o

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>
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Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy of the internal combustion engine (as earlyas 1904 a combined water injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased power and higher altitudes,they first experienced their real heydey ofpopular useas aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and'80s when the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing fromthe pumps. Such systems were saidto reduce or eliminate harmful engine ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded 'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said toimprove power andgas mileage, andare often found strongly recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive 1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titledRX for RV: Trailer Life's RX for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills, California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarketinjector kits were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"), Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and others, while somecurrent turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab 99 even come withfactory-installed units as an option.<o

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I have recently purchased an old new-in-box EdelbrockVara-Jection water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours.Ithas also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps even providea marginal power boost tohelpourAmphicars haul themselves upthose bighills too. So, I thought I should ask you all about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about water injection and engines,but are there any thoughts or experiences on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde? <o

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Larry & Nancy Solheim · Jan 24, 2007

Surprising, the answer is YES, Bilgey. I put a water injector on my 1973 Jensen Healey so I could run the Lotus engine on regular instead of the required premium gasoline. Did the deed in 1976 and it was running up until last year. My brother has the car now an decided he would rather use premium. The controller used a vacuum switch and a tie in to the distributor to judge when to pump into the side draft Strombergs. The pump was really nothing more than a windshield washer pump. Don't remember the manufacturer. I'll drop a note to my brother and see if he still has the manual. --Larry

Bill Connelly <amphicar@cox.net> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <div id="ygrp-text"> OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collectivewisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):<o></o> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand experiencewith 'Water Injection' in anAmphicar or any other vehicle?<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">Water injection systemsbasicallyspray or draw afine streamor mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor or fuel injectors, typicallybased on intake vacuum, RPM or other measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rateof the gasoline in the combustion chambers andso effectively raising the octane number (which isjust a measurement of burn rate: the higher the octane number, the slower it burns).<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy of the internal combustion engine (as
earlyas 1904 a combined water injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased power and higher altitudes,they first experienced their real heydey ofpopular useas aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and'80s when the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing fromthe pumps. Such systems were saidto reduce or eliminate harmful engine ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded 'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said toimprove power andgas mileage, andare often found strongly recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive 1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titledRX for RV: Trailer Life's RX
for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills, California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarketinjector kits were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"), Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and others, while somecurrent turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab 99 even come withfactory-installed units as an option.<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">I have recently
purchased an old new-in-box EdelbrockVara-Jection water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours.Ithas also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps even providea marginal power boost
tohelpourAmphicars haul themselves upthose bighills too. So, I thought I should ask you all about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about water injection and engines,but are there any thoughts or experiences on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde? <o></o>
<div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">~Bilgey~<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> </blockquote>

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Larry & Nancy Solheim · Jan 24, 2007

Surprising, the answer is YES, Bilgey. I put a water injector on my 1973 Jensen Healey so I could run the Lotus engine on regular instead of the required premium gasoline. Did the deed in 1976 and it was running up until last year. My brother has the car now an decided he would rather use premium. The controller used a vacuum switch and a tie in to the distributor to judge when to pump into the side draft Strombergs. The pump was really nothing more than a windshield washer pump. Don't remember the manufacturer. I'll drop a note to my brother and see if he still has the manual. --Larry

Bill Connelly <amphicar@cox.net> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <div id="ygrp-text"> OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collectivewisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):<o></o> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand experiencewith 'Water Injection' in anAmphicar or any other vehicle?<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">Water injection systemsbasicallyspray or draw afine streamor mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor or fuel injectors, typicallybased on intake vacuum, RPM or other measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rateof the gasoline in the combustion chambers andso effectively raising the octane number (which isjust a measurement of burn rate: the higher the octane number, the slower it burns).<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy of the internal combustion engine (as
earlyas 1904 a combined water injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased power and higher altitudes,they first experienced their real heydey ofpopular useas aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and'80s when the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing fromthe pumps. Such systems were saidto reduce or eliminate harmful engine ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded 'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said toimprove power andgas mileage, andare often found strongly recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive 1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titledRX for RV: Trailer Life's RX
for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills, California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarketinjector kits were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"), Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and others, while somecurrent turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab 99 even come withfactory-installed units as an option.<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">I have recently
purchased an old new-in-box EdelbrockVara-Jection water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours.Ithas also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps even providea marginal power boost
tohelpourAmphicars haul themselves upthose bighills too. So, I thought I should ask you all about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about water injection and engines,but are there any thoughts or experiences on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde? <o></o>
<div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> <div class="MsoNormal">~Bilgey~<o></o> <div class="MsoNormal"><o></o> </blockquote>

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gtpeterp · Jan 24, 2007

One of my friends actually worked in R&D for a company that sells
these, http://www.coolingmist.com/. I've also seen several
supercharged cars using them. I'm not certain of the benefits without
forced induction, but I can certainly put you in touch with him if you
would like to know more. Shoot me a message off list for his
email/phone number.

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Connelly" <amphicar@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collective
wisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm
not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number
with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's
old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):
>
>
> No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand
experience with 'Water Injection' in an Amphicar or any other vehicle?
>
>
>
> Water injection systems basically spray or draw a fine stream or
mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor
or fuel injectors, typically based on intake vacuum, RPM or other
measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rate of the
gasoline in the combustion chambers and so effectively raising the
octane number (which is just a measurement of burn rate: the higher
the octane number, the slower it burns).
>
>
>
> Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy
of the internal combustion engine (as early as 1904 a combined water
injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in
some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then
later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased
power and higher altitudes, they first experienced their real heydey
of popular use as aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and '80s when
the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing from the
pumps. Such systems were said to reduce or eliminate harmful engine
ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old
high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded
'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said to
improve power and gas mileage, and are often found strongly
recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive
1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titled RX for
RV: Trailer Life's RX for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills,
California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarket injector kits
were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"),
Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day
turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more
complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection
systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and
others, while some current turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab
99 even come with factory-installed units as an option.
>
>
>
> I have recently purchased an old new-in-box Edelbrock Vara-Jection
water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the
ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my
larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent
with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities
on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours. It has
also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve
to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps
even provide a marginal power boost to help our Amphicars haul
themselves up those big hills too. So, I thought I should ask you all
about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about
water injection and engines, but are there any thoughts or experiences
on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde?
>
>
>
> ~Bilgey~
>

gtpeterp · Jan 24, 2007

One of my friends actually worked in R&D for a company that sells
these, http://www.coolingmist.com/. I've also seen several
supercharged cars using them. I'm not certain of the benefits without
forced induction, but I can certainly put you in touch with him if you
would like to know more. Shoot me a message off list for his
email/phone number.

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Connelly" <amphicar@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, so here's a question that's never been posed to the collective
wisdom and experience that is this Amphicar-Lovers List (and no, I'm
not gonna ask if I can pull off this little red spaghetti strap number
with the sequins I'm wearing without looking "trashy"...I mean, that's
old ground, isn't it?...And besides it makes my butt look huge!):
>
>
> No, the actual question is this: Has anyone had any firsthand
experience with 'Water Injection' in an Amphicar or any other vehicle?
>
>
>
> Water injection systems basically spray or draw a fine stream or
mist of water or a water/methanol mixture into the engine's carburetor
or fuel injectors, typically based on intake vacuum, RPM or other
measurements of engine load, thereby slowing down the burn rate of the
gasoline in the combustion chambers and so effectively raising the
octane number (which is just a measurement of burn rate: the higher
the octane number, the slower it burns).
>
>
>
> Water injection systems, though first seen during the very infancy
of the internal combustion engine (as early as 1904 a combined water
injector/carburetor unit was used both to cool and reduce knocking in
some kerosene/gasoline flexible-fueled tractor engines), and then
later used during WWII in some fighter aircraft to achieve increased
power and higher altitudes, they first experienced their real heydey
of popular use as aftermarket kits sold during the 1970s and '80s when
the old style leaded high octane fuels started disappearing from the
pumps. Such systems were said to reduce or eliminate harmful engine
ping and knocking caused by pre-ignition in those big old
high-compression V8 engines designed for the old richer leaded
'hi-test' juice. These water injection systems were also said to
improve power and gas mileage, and are often found strongly
recommended in engine tuning guides of the period, like the definitive
1983 guide for RV tuners and tweakers by John Geraghty titled RX for
RV: Trailer Life's RX for RV performance & mileage. (Agoura Hills,
California: TL Enterprises, 1983). Such aftermarket injector kits
were produced by Edelbrock (called "Vara-Jection" or "VaraJection"),
Spearco (called "Trijectronic"), Holley, and others. Current-day
turbo-tweakers and other horsepower-floggers still use far more
complicated (and expensive) water and water-and-methanol injection
systems nowadays made by companies like AquaMist, CoolingMist and
others, while some current turbo models of vehicles such as the Saab
99 even come with factory-installed units as an option.
>
>
>
> I have recently purchased an old new-in-box Edelbrock Vara-Jection
water injection system off of eBay, which I plan to install in the
ancient RV I've recently purchased, with its 440 cid V8, as part of my
larger maniacal-but-budget-conscious plan of roaming the continent
with the Amphicar in tow inflicting my and my family's personalities
on innocent passers-by throughout this great land of ours. It has
also occurred to me that such a water injection unit might also serve
to both haul down those often high engine temperatures and perhaps
even provide a marginal power boost to help our Amphicars haul
themselves up those big hills too. So, I thought I should ask you all
about it. Sure, there's lots out there to read in Googleville about
water injection and engines, but are there any thoughts or experiences
on them out there amongst the highly esteemed web-toed motoring horde?
>
>
>
> ~Bilgey~
>

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