Terminology

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a_colo_native

Guest
> >How can anyone spend (allot) of money on a restoration and not take
a engine or trany apart

If you rebuild the engine and trans it also adds to the expenses.
$2000 for the trans and another $3000 for the engine adds up to $5000.
Not everybody can do that. It depends on the level of restoration you
are doing and the condtion of the assemblies and it's final use. I
base my decisions on my customer needs and desires.

If the engine runs fine, why not drive it? With simple inspection and
testing it is not difficult to determine it's condition. You can
rebuild it anytime. Same goes for the trans. I reccomend doing it for
my customers, but if the added expense prices them out of a swimming
Amphicar, then I see it as a loosing situation for them. Make them
safe in and out of the water for the fun of it. Rebuild the drive
train when you can. It won't lessen the value of the car.

My white car's engine has never been apart and I have no intentions of
doing so at this time. It doesn't need it. It has 110 Lbs in all 4
cylinders and the leakdown shows it to be as new. A rebuild is a waste
of money in this case.

> I'm in the restoration business and we see this all the time.
> The word "restoration" means a lot of things to a lot of different
> people.

I agree! The thing that really gets me is the misuse of the terms like;

NOS - New old stock. This IS NOT A REPRODUCD PART! It is a spare part
manufactured by the OEM at the time of the mfg of the auto with the
same standards of the original parts used during manufacture.
REPRODUCTION - Newly mfg part that is of the SAME QUALITY as the
original parts.
REPLACEMENT - A part that may function or appear similarily to
original but is NOT NOS or exact. Just a reasonable replacement and
can not be interchanged with the above 2 terms.
OEM - Original Equipment Manufacturer. This is a part made by the
original manufacturer.
SET - A set is a complete group of parts. (2 tires are not a "set", 4
tires are a "set")
KIT - This implies that you will have ALL the parts required to
complete the task. A "set" of splash moldings consists of the 4
molding pieces. A "KIT" would include the moldings (4), the rubber,
and all clips needed to complete the task.
RESTORATION - To make it as it was originally, w/o modifications.
A '35 Terraplane with a 428 Pontiac engine is NOT restored, no matter
how it looks on the outside.
CUSTOM - Just as it implies, made to the specifications of the owner,
not stock.

John Bevins
Rocky Mountain Amphicar
970-532-4104
 
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ECR staff

Guest
>
>NOS - New old stock. This IS NOT A REPRODUCD PART! I

John, You hit the nail on the head with your terms! Too bad we can't
standardize that stuff.
We break our trucks into "serviced" "refurbished" and "restored".
Nothing wrong with a nicely "serviced" car either, sometimes they are
even more fun because you don't mind beating them up a little.

Mike Smith


ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864
ph: 207-594-8086 fax: 207-594-8120

http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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estimates. All work at ECR is done on a time and materials basis.
Install costs and overall project costs can not be given as used and
vintage vehicles vary greatly in condition.

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Mike Israel

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That is what I like about companies like the Roadster Factory. All of their parts are clearlylabeled as NOS, reproduction, or substitution. Substitution being a non-original part that will do the job. Thus, while the round remote starter switch is a repro, the square ones would be considered substitutions. Nothing more aggravating then paying top dollarwhen you are expecting NOS or quality repro and instead getting something from PepBoys or PetCo that does the job but hardly looks original!!

Now if you really want obsessive, here is a friend's car which he is selling in Scottsdale at the auction this January. Not only NOS, but date-coded NOS parts throughout. The ONLY AAR Cuda ever certified as gold by the Mopar Nationals Organization!
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp?id=181385

----- Original Message ----
From: ECR staff <ecrover@midcoast.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:42:48 PM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Terminology

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>NOS - New old stock. This IS NOT A REPRODUCD PART! I

John, You hit the nail on the head with your terms! Too bad we can't
standardize that stuff.
We break our trucks into "serviced" "refurbished" and "restored".
Nothing wrong with a nicely "serviced" car either, sometimes they are
even more fun because you don't mind beating them up a little.

Mike Smith


ECR</tt>
 
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gtpeterp

Guest
I tend to classify them as follows:

Museum Piece: Date coded, factory paint marks, papers. As close as
physically possible to the state it was in when it rolled off the
assembly line.

Show Car: Polished, Chromed, spotless. Would take it for a drive, but
not on a road where youre likely to find gravel.

Weekend Car: Cleaned up, no visible damage. Some parts not stock, but
nothing held on with chewing gum and bailing wire. A car you would
feel comfortable driving around town (and taking in the lake!)

Project Car: Brown Wonder. Yeah.
 
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