Stopping rust electronically

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a_colo_native

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Ron Green asked me about a device to electronically stop or slow down
the arch enemy of Amphi-dom. The ones I had seen from years past
seemed to be snake oil at best. It piqued my interest, as I had seen
this particular device on a TV show a while back. The testimonials
say a lot too.

(http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm)

I contacted them this afternoon about it. I spoke with a gentleman
there and he is in the process of producing one specifically for the
Amphicar! It will protect the car in and out of the water. It is a
hybrid system that works in 2 different ways. It is not on the market
yet, but soon. How cool is that?

They are sending me a prototype unit to test on the Amphicar
Extraordinaire. I will keep you appraised on it's success or failure
in the future. This could be a great thing for all Amphicars.

John "Rust Free?" Bevins
 
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F M

Guest
I've wondered about putting a small dehumidifier in the car over the winter.
Anyone have any thought on that?

a_colo_native <minnow@amphicar.net> wrote: Ron Green asked me about a device to
electronically stop or slow down
the arch enemy of Amphi-dom. The ones I had seen from years past
seemed to be snake oil at best. It piqued my interest, as I had seen
this particular device on a TV show a while back. The testimonials
say a lot too.

(http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm)

I contacted them this afternoon about it. I spoke with a gentleman
there and he is in the process of producing one specifically for the
Amphicar! It will protect the car in and out of the water. It is a
hybrid system that works in 2 different ways. It is not on the market
yet, but soon. How cool is that?

They are sending me a prototype unit to test on the Amphicar
Extraordinaire. I will keep you appraised on it's success or failure
in the future. This could be a great thing for all Amphicars.

John "Rust Free?" Bevins


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F M

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I've wondered about putting a small dehumidifier in the car over the winter.
Anyone have any thought on that?

a_colo_native <minnow@amphicar.net> wrote:Ron Green asked me about a device to
electronically stop or slow down
the arch enemy of Amphi-dom. The ones I had seen from years past
seemed to be snake oil at best. It piqued my interest, as I had seen
this particular device on a TV show a while back. The testimonials
say a lot too.

(http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm)

I contacted them this afternoon about it. I spoke with a gentleman
there and he is in the process of producing one specifically for the
Amphicar! It will protect the car in and out of the water. It is a
hybrid system that works in 2 different ways. It is not on the market
yet, but soon. How cool is that?

They are sending me a prototype unit to test on the Amphicar
Extraordinaire. I will keep you appraised on it's success or failure
in the future. This could be a great thing for all Amphicars.

John "Rust Free?" Bevins


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Randy H. Foutch

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A de-humidifier will not stop or prevent rust, it will however slow it down
drastically

I live in Las Vegas, and we still get rust (even though we have a relative
humidity of less then 10% which is pretty dry!).

dirt and unprotected metal are the largest causes. Dirt and trash collect
in confined areas, this is prime breeding grounds for rust. This is why on
most cars, the lips on the fender wells are the first to go. When
undercoating is cracked or damaged, water and dirt can get in and begin the
destructive process. (think of the battery area, where it is the acid that
eats the paint, exposes the metal and then attracts dirt that absorbs
water.... leading to rust!)

If you take a lead from the boating world, sacrificial anodes work well,
but only while in the water, this electronic process (suggested in the
email below) is a "Dry land" version of what the boating world understands.

I will be interested in seeing the "New" version of this produce, to see
what it looks like and how it works.

But remember, the best way to prevent rust is to make sure it is clean and
dry (after going for a swim of course) and that you promptly address, treat
and re-apply rust preventing coatings (including paint) any time you see
damage.

Just my two cents....

RF

At 01:23 PM 9/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I've wondered about putting a small dehumidifier in the car over the
>winter. Anyone have any thought on that?
>
>a_colo_native <minnow@amphicar.net> wrote: Ron Green asked me about a
>device to electronically stop or slow down
>the arch enemy of Amphi-dom. The ones I had seen from years past
>seemed to be snake oil at best. It piqued my interest, as I had seen
>this particular device on a TV show a while back. The testimonials
>say a lot too.
>
>(<http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm)><a href="http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm">http://www.counteractrust.com/c\
ounteract.htm</a>)
>
>I contacted them this afternoon about it. I spoke with a gentleman
>there and he is in the process of producing one specifically for the
>Amphicar! It will protect the car in and out of the water. It is a
>hybrid system that works in 2 different ways. It is not on the market
>yet, but soon. How cool is that?
>
>They are sending me a prototype unit to test on the Amphicar
>Extraordinaire. I will keep you appraised on it's success or failure
>in the future. This could be a great thing for all Amphicars.
>
>John "Rust Free?" Bevins
>
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A de-humidifier will not stop or prevent rust, it will however slow
it down drastically

I live in Las Vegas, and we still get rust (even though we have a
relative humidity of less then 10% which is pretty dry!).

dirt and unprotected metal are the largest causes. Dirt and trash
collect in confined areas, this is prime breeding grounds for rust.
This is why on most cars, the lips on the fender wells are the first
to go. When undercoating is cracked or damaged, water and dirt can
get in and begin the destructive process. (think of the battery
area, where it is the acid that eats the paint, exposes the metal and
then attracts dirt that absorbs water.... leading to rust!)

If you take a lead from the boating world, sacrificial anodes work
well, but only while in the water, this electronic process (suggested
in the email below) is a "Dry land" version of what the boating world
understands.

I will be interested in seeing the "New" version of this produce, to
see what it looks like and how it works.

But remember, the best way to prevent rust is to make sure it is
clean and dry (after going for a swim of course) and that you
promptly address, treat and re-apply rust preventing coatings
(including paint) any time you see damage.

Just my two cents....

RF

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, F M <injuneer2003@y...> wrote:
> I've wondered about putting a small dehumidifier in the car over
the winter. Anyone have any thought on that?
>
> a_colo_native <minnow@a...> wrote: Ron Green asked me about a
device to electronically stop or slow down
> the arch enemy of Amphi-dom. The ones I had seen from years past
> seemed to be snake oil at best. It piqued my interest, as I had
seen
> this particular device on a TV show a while back. The testimonials
> say a lot too.
>
> (http://www.counteractrust.com/counteract.htm)
>
> I contacted them this afternoon about it. I spoke with a gentleman
> there and he is in the process of producing one specifically for
the
> Amphicar! It will protect the car in and out of the water. It is a
> hybrid system that works in 2 different ways. It is not on the
market
> yet, but soon. How cool is that?
>
> They are sending me a prototype unit to test on the Amphicar
> Extraordinaire. I will keep you appraised on it's success or
failure
> in the future. This could be a great thing for all Amphicars.
>
> John "Rust Free?" Bevins
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
>
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a_colo_native

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>>If you take a lead from the boating world, sacrificial anodes work
>>well, but only while in the water, this electronic process
>>(suggested in the email below) is a "Dry land" version of what the
>>boating world understands.

NO, this is not just a "Dry land process" nor is it a sacrificial
anode system like you find on many boats. It is designed to function
in 2 different ways. It is a hybrid system (specifically designed for
the Amphicar) that operates one way while on land and automatically
operates in the proper manner while in the water so you are covered
in both situations.

>>I will be interested in seeing the "New" version of this produce,
>>to see what it looks like and how it works.

Me too! Once I have it in hand, I will let you all know what I think
and keep you informed of the performance.

John Bevins
 
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rogtwo@aol.com

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I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to comment on using a dehumidifier to
prevent corrosion.

In fact, steel will NOT rust if the humidity is below about 45%. You can
refer to this site:

http://www.hbcotes.com/english/home.html?http&&&
www.hbcotes.com/english/applications/corrosion.htm

Here they say: "The limit lies at 45-50 %RH: if the humidity lies under that
value you may store glittering steel without risk of corrosion."

Of course, you can't keep the humidity around your Amphicar below 45% all the
time. One swim, and it could take days to dry all of the water back out of
the nooks and crannies. So, if you ever take your car swimming, a dehumidifier
can't stop rust. But, if you live in a damp area, it should greatly decrease
it. It will help your car dry much faster, and once your car is dry, it will
not rust at all (assuming you get the humidity below 45% and don't have any
other contaminants like battery acid on the metal).

But, dehumidifiers do have limitations. I don't think many if any will
operate below 45 deg. F, and many aren't designed to operate below 65 deg. F.
So,
if your car is stored in a cool place, then a dehumidifier may not be able to
maintain the humidity below 45%. Also, the dehumidifier would be much more eff
ective if you had the car in a relatively tight garage with the dehumidifier
outside the car. But a dehumidifier inside the car would still be helpful.

Personally, I had been planning to buy a dehumidifier, just as soon as I got
around to determining which one would be best. However, in looking around the
web while writing this message, I discovered another product:

<A HREF="http://permabag.com/auto.htm">http://permabag.com/auto.htm</A>

This is a big bag to put your whole car in, the humidity is reduced using
canisters of desiccant (probably the same stuff in those little packets that you
find packed with all the all electronic stuff you buy). Since my garage is
not nearly sealed well enough for dehumidifier, this seems to be the ideal
solution for me. And, the total price of around $500 (including shipping)
doesn't
seem too bad.

Roger St. John
White '63
Seattle

PS - I have no connection to Perma Bag. And, I don't have one yet, but I
will most likely order one soon (I will look around for any competitors'
products
first). I'll report on what I think of it after I get it.





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