Starter/Solenoid problem

Discussion in 'General Amphicar Discussion' started by G_Zink_us@yahoo.com, Jun 11, 2001.

  1. G_Zink_us@yahoo.com
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    Hi all,
    I need some advise on a "no start" problem. Over the last couple of
    months, there have been a handfull of times when I would turn the key
    and get a click(not quite a click but don't know how else to
    describe) and I would move or tighten the starter cable at the
    starter and I'd be off and running. I had no problems Saturday and it
    started several times but yesterday I could not get it started. All I
    get is that click. Battery is fully charged and I removed and re-
    tightened the starter cable. All the solenoid wires appear to be on
    and tight. I'm thinking that my blaming a loose connection at the
    starter when this happened before may have been incorrect and it
    might actually be the solenoid because now, with the key on, I press
    the solenoid button, I get no sound at all. This seems odd because I
    get the click when I turn the key.
    I searched the archives and didn't see anything on the subject so I'm
    seeking advice from all of you with more experience.
    1) What's your best guess as to the cause- starter, solenoid, loose
    connections, ignition switch?
    2) On old Fords, I used to jump two wires on the solenoid to bypass
    and start the car to prove the starter was o.k. Can anyone tell me
    which two to jump on the Amphi?
    3) If the solenoid is bad, does anyone have a part number and make
    model of vehicle for an interchangeable one I could get at a local
    parts store? Will any model solenoid work?
    4) Same question for the starter. Anyone have a part number or a
    later year make model? I'd order from Gordon's but I'd really like to
    get it going in the next few days and with the weight of the thing,
    the shipping would probably be more than the cost of starter.

    Starterless in Michigan,

    Greg Z
    67 Amphi, white (MI "IMABOAT")
     
  2. Cap''n John
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    Cap''n John Guest

    > 1) What's your best guess as to the cause- starter, solenoid, loose
    > connections, ignition switch?

    If the connections are clean and tight (NOT the replacement type
    clamps), it could be a flatspot in the starter, an "iffy" solenoid,
    or the dreaded broken cable (within the insulation).

    > 2) On old Fords, I used to jump two wires on the solenoid to bypass
    > and start the car to prove the starter was o.k. Can anyone tell me
    > which two to jump on the Amphi?

    You should just be able to push the big button on top of the solenoid
    to accomplish the same result.

    John
     
  3. David Chapman
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    Sounds like the solinoid is toast, the type with the button will be at least
    20 years old, a modern replacement will work the same, they removed the
    button when car theft started to be a problem (!) This solinoid is generic
    and was used on just about every 4 cylinder British car throughout the
    1960s. Hugh has them in stock but you should be able to get them locally,
    same for the starter, just about any Triumph or Mini has the same parts. At
    the same time change the power cables to the starter and from the battery as
    well as the battery earth. It's easy and low cost - the originals can look
    fine but corrode internally.

    David Chapman
     
  4. Greg
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    Greg Guest

    Re: Re: Starter/Solenoid problem

    Thanks for hints, John. The broken cable seems like a
    possibility since, in the past, I've started by moving
    it. For clarification, the reason for "jumping around"
    the solenoid is I'm thinking that would prove if the
    solenoid itself is bad. When I push the black button,
    nothing happens.

    --- Cap'n John <minnow@amphicar.net> wrote:
    > > 1) What's your best guess as to the cause-
    > starter, solenoid, loose
    > > connections, ignition switch?
    >
    > If the connections are clean and tight (NOT the
    > replacement type
    > clamps), it could be a flatspot in the starter, an
    > "iffy" solenoid,
    > or the dreaded broken cable (within the insulation).
    >
    > > 2) On old Fords, I used to jump two wires on the
    > solenoid to bypass
    > > and start the car to prove the starter was o.k.
    > Can anyone tell me
    > > which two to jump on the Amphi?
    >
    > You should just be able to push the big button on
    > top of the solenoid
    > to accomplish the same result.
    >
    > John
    >
    >
     
  5. Steve Behnke
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    Steve Behnke Guest

    Greg,

    Some years back I had a similar starting problem with my Amphi.
    A lot of the symptoms were very similar. After pulling out the starter
    and then solenoid and having them checked out it turned out to
    be a bad ground at the body on the positive battery cable. I had
    checked it already and it had looked fine but a little extra wire
    brushing and all has been fine since.

    Steve
     
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