Rules about boat registration

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Arnold Hite

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I'm working on a Amphicar registration problem. In my state a boat
registration was not needed for an Amphicar as long as there was a
current auto registration. That changed this week when Deiter Harre
and I got into a little trouble putting our cars in a small North
Carolina lake. I am planning to call the North Carolina Wildlife
Resources Commission and press the case a little. But before I do, I
would like to get some information on what other states require. Please
email me if your state does not require an Amphicar to be registered as
a boat.

Arnold Hite
Charleston, SC
 
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joe john

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Good Morning Arnold and Everybody,


I ran into problems when I decided bid on ebay. I went to Maryland DNR in Annapolis about paying taxes on the boat half. OUCH..... they told me that I need a title for the boat and it would be based on the sale of the Amphi. The lady said that it isn't like having a boat and trailer. Maryland Motor Vehicle told me much of the same. My question as I would still love to have an Amphi here in Denton, Md., how do you get 2 titles without paying 100% tax to DNR and Md. DMV?


Joey


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From: Arnold Hite <ahite@Charleston.Net>
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To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:37:35 -0400

I'm working on a Amphicar registration problem. In my state a boat
registration was not needed for an Amphicar as long as there was a
current auto registration. That changed this week when Deiter Harre
and I got into a little trouble putting our cars in a small North
Carolina lake. I am planning to call the North Carolina Wildlife
Resources Commission and press the case a little. But before I do, I
would like to get some information on what other states require. Please
email me if your state does not require an Amphicar to be registered as
a boat.

Arnold Hite
Charleston, SC



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When I registered in PA, I first titled it as a motor vehicle. When I went to register it as a boat I ran into similar confusion. All I did was called someone at DMV, I provided proof that tax had been paid already and that was all they needed.



----- Original Message ----
From: joe john <gypseajoe@hotmail.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:17:01 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration





Good Morning Arnold and Everybody,


I ran into problems when I decided bid on ebay. I went to Maryland DNR in Annapolis about paying taxes on the boat half. OUCH..... they told me that I need a title for the boat and it would be based on the sale of the Amphi. The lady said that it isn't like having a boat and trailer. Maryland Motor Vehicle told me much of the same. My question as I would still love to have an Amphi here in Denton, Md., how do you get 2 titles without paying 100% tax to DNR and Md. DMV?


Joey
 
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rlgreen_55

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I had a similar problem here in PA as they too wanted sales tax on
both a car and a boat, and no boat registration without proof of
paying the boat sales tax. And no car registration without paying the
vehicle sales tax.

Knowing that this would be a situation that I will probably have to
explain over and over to many as I tried to secure these
registrations I went on the PA fish and boat commissions website and
saw who the top dog was along with his email address. Send him an
email and he responded in a very timely manner. He knew of the
Amphicar and agreed is was an unusual situation trying to obtain two
registrations while only paying one vehicle sales tax.

He stated in a email that in this case the sales tax on the boat
portion would not apply since it was already paid on the vehicle. He
told me how to fill out the boat form for non applicable for sales
tax and I simply printed out the email and sent it along with both
applications and all went through fine.

Ron Green
Camp Hill, PA.

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Israel <amphicar770@...>
wrote:
>
> When I registered in PA, I first titled it as a motor vehicle.
When I went to register it as a boat I ran into similar confusion.
All I did was called someone at DMV, I provided proof that tax had
been paid already and that was all they needed.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: joe john <gypseajoe@...>
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:17:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration
>
>
> Good Morning Arnold and Everybody,
> I ran into problems when I decided bid on ebay. I went to Maryland
DNR in Annapolis about paying taxes on the boat half. OUCH..... they
told me that I need a title for the boat and it would be based on the
sale of the Amphi. The lady said that it isn't like having a boat
and trailer. Maryland Motor Vehicle told me much of the same. My
question as I would still love to have an Amphi here in Denton, Md.,
how do you get 2 titles without paying 100% tax to DNR and Md. DMV?
> Joey
>
 
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nelson625@aol.com

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Arnold -
You asked to be e-mailed if we lived in a state that did not require an Amphicar to be registered as a boat. Well, as you are aware, being in Florida, our Amphicars dorequire dual registration which is a frequent topic of conversation when people see our Coast Guard numbers on the fenders. We must comply with all the Coast Guard regs that apply to a similar sized motorized gasoline powered "vessel." These include the flame arrestor on the carb, bilge blower, life preservers of course, an anchor, paddle, flares, horn and proper navigation lights. I guess it is a bit surprising that North Carolina has not addressed this before now. A while back, I wastold by an older attorney to whom I gave a ride at Mount Dorathat Florida recognized "Antigue Vessels" and that I should look into it. My first efforts ran into wall of non-comprehension as nobody seemed to know what I was talking about. Finally, I secured the appropriate paperwork and forwarded it to the proper agency in our capital of Tallahassee and lo and behold, instead of the normal $20-25 that I had been paying for the annual boat registration, it is now $4.25. We still have to pay the antique automobile registration of $21.10. I have a valid Coast Guard 100 ton Charter Captain's license which is a slight overkill for my little Amphi, the "Split Personality,"but it is fun to reassure any worried passengers that they are likely to survive the voyage !

I'll be curious to see how your situation gets resolved.

Vic "Capt. Splash" Nelson with the 1967 "Split Persopnality"</font>
 
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a_colo_native

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<font face="comic sans ms">Here in Colorado, it is easy. We only title the trailer and not the boat (I find that odd because the value is in the boat.) Boat reg is $18 and all they wanted to know was fuel, hull length and material. So my boat reg says it's a 14' Steel hull, in-board gas powered boat. I did not mention it's automotive side to the boat people and did not mention it's aquadic side to the car people. They all know of me now! </font>


<font face="comic sans ms">The 1st time at a local state park lake, the lady at the booth just kept repeating "This is highly unusual... This is highly unusual..." and she had to call her supervisor for advice. She did not know how to charge me for a boat w/o a parking pass for the trailer. The state parks I use here now have provisions for my Amphi. Now, most of the time they just wave me by and smile.</font>


<font face="comic sans ms">Some states are just easier than others.</font>


<font face="comic sans ms"> John "highly unusual" Bevins</font>
 
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nelson625@aol.com

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Re: Re: Rules about boat registration

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Mike Smith and others
When I acquired my Amphicar, it had Florida registration. Exactly how the previous owner acquired the dual registration, I do not know, as he had boughtthe vehiclein New Hampshire. The first year or two I got nowhere in trying to get the Coast Guard registration with out a separate title, so I took the easy way out and registered it in the previous owner's name. This was easy becauseI was just getting "renewals." Then I pressed the matter and managed to transfer the title of the "car" into my name and somehow got a Boat registration. At the time I didn't know how it was done, but I was satisfied that I had presumably accomplished my objective. The next year, I had no trouble renewing the car registration, but evidently, the nitwit who took car of me the previous year had assigned the Boat Registration to some fictitious person with a Spanish name at my address. When they brought up the boat registration number on the computer, of course there was no such owner.That was when I discovered there had been some chicanery and so I pushed on until someone looked up the right regulation and I ended up with the Boat registration in my name.

I agree, this subject would probably make a somewhat interestingstory with maybe some hilarious side storiesforour newsletter.Vic Nelson</font>
 
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rlgreen_55

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Dear Mr. "highly unusual"

A few miles from the house in the middle of the river we have "City
Island" of which has the only boat ramp. Parking a vehicle or boat
trailer in the lot is $3. I obviously do neither. When I pull up and
tell them I won't be needing a parking spot I get a strange gaze from
the attendant. If he insists I tell him I'll be parking in the river
of which they eventually let me pass.

Three years ago after buying Amphi we were returning home from a
river outing at City Island and were listening to the radio when it
was announced that a car was spotted in the river, imagine that!

Ron "quit gazing at me" Green


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "a_colo_native" <rma@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Here in Colorado, it is easy. We only title the trailer and not the
boat
> (I find that odd because the value is in the boat.) Boat reg is $18
and
> all they wanted to know was fuel, hull length and material. So my
boat
> reg says it's a 14' Steel hull, in-board gas powered boat. I did not
> mention it's automotive side to the boat people and did not mention
it's
> aquadic side to the car people. They all know of me now!
>
> The 1st time at a local state park lake, the lady at the booth just
kept
> repeating "This is highly unusual... This is highly unusual..." and
she
> had to call her supervisor for advice. She did not know how to
charge me
> for a boat w/o a parking pass for the trailer. The state parks I use
> here now have provisions for my Amphi. Now, most of the time they
just
> wave me by and smile.
>
> Some states are just easier than others.
>
> John "highly unusual" Bevins
>
 
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ECR Staff

Guest
These types of "baffle the authority figure" stories should be
written up and have a spot in the club newsletter. This is really
good stuff.... or maybe I just have a problem with authority figures.

Mike Smith (still in bits) Amphi

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Larry & Nancy Solheim

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This won't help you, Arnold. In Washington state, any posered vessel over 14' must be registered. The good news is that it is only $16. (at least for a 14 footer) plus a $3. "service" fee. They handle the vehicle portion separately. --Larry

Arnold Hite <ahite@Charleston.Net> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> I'm working on a Amphicar registration problem. In my state a boat
registration was not needed for an Amphicar as long as there was a
current auto registration. That changed this week when Deiter Harre
and I got into a little trouble putting our cars in a small North
Carolina lake. I am planning to call the North Carolina Wildlife
Resources Commission and press the case a little. But before I do, I

would like to get some information on what other states require. Please
email me if your state does not require an Amphicar to be registered as
a boat.

Arnold Hite
Charleston, SC

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joe john

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Thanks Mike, I spoke with DNR today [again] on the phone. It was suggested that I buy the car/boat, come in with the bill of sale and they will work it out. Am I missing something? Then I called [again] 800 MVA. I need to pay the tax based on the price. Wasn't there a owner in Md.? How did he register it as a boat?


Thanks All.....


Joey


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From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:55:17 -0700 (PDT)


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When I registered in PA, I first titled it as a motor vehicle. When I went to register it as a boat I ran into similar confusion. All I did was called someone at DMV, I provided proof that tax had been paid already and that was all they needed.



----- Original Message ----
From: joe john <gypseajoe@hotmail.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:17:01 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration





Good Morning Arnold and Everybody,


I ran into problems when I decided bid on ebay. I went to Maryland DNR in Annapolis about paying taxes on the boat half. OUCH..... they told me that I need a title for the boat and it would be based on the sale of the Amphi. The lady said that it isn't like having a boat and trailer. Maryland Motor Vehicle told me much of the same. My question as I would still love to have an Amphi here in Denton, Md., how do you get 2 titles without paying 100% tax to DNR and Md. DMV?


Joey


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<font size="4">Just saw this so I thought I'd respond for New Jersey. I went to get my car title about 4 years ago from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. They couldn't figure out what to do about the boat title even after I gave them Billy Syx's Amphicar info. They looked up his car & saw that it was titled for a car AND a boat. They agreed that I should have 2 titles but didn't want to make that big decision on signing the paperwork. I remember the lady I dealt with was so very nice. She told me I'd have to call her back in a week after her supervisor came back from vacation. </font>
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<font size="4">I have all of my notes to prove how many times I called the Bureau of Motor Vehicles & kept getting the same answer. No one could make the decision WHAT to do about the boat title. </font>
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<font size="4">After months of frustration I finally found out that the marine police had to see the car & it was THEY that would give me the boat title. Since the car has been in rehab for the last 4 years I still haven't finished my quest for that boat title. I sure hope they haven't changed the rules of the game because I'm going to go to the marine police soon.</font>
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<font size="4">From what I've been told about the marine licenses: if your state requires the license you will need it for any state that you go boating in. If your state doesn't require a separate license then you shouldn't need it for another state you visit. I'm not sure if it's true but that's what I've heard.</font>
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<font size="4">Ina in the Boro</font>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:37 AM
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Rules about boat registration

I'm working on a Amphicar registration problem. In my state a boat
registration was not needed for an Amphicar as long as there was a
current auto registration. That changed this week when Deiter Harre
and I got into a little trouble putting our cars in a small North
Carolina lake. I am planning to call the North Carolina Wildlife
Resources Commission and press the case a little. But before I do, I
would like to get some information on what other states require. Please
email me if your state does not require an Amphicar to be registered as
a boat.

Arnold Hite
Charleston, SC
 
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a_colo_native

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<font size="1">> From what I've been told about the marine licenses: if your state requires the license you will need it for any state that you go boating in. If your state doesn't require a separate license then you shouldn't need it for another state you visit. I'm not sure if it's true but that's what I've heard.
>
> Ina in the Boro</font>


<font face="arial">Ina - </font>


<font face="arial">I spoke with a Coast Guard last summer and he confirmed my belief that your vessel only needs to adhere to the laws of the state it is registered in. Your state laws only apply to your vessel and they can not force you to adhere to out of state regs.</font>


<font face="arial">John Bevins</font>
 
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