Pulling an engine

[slantflat]

Good evening group.

I'm considering pulling the engine out of my car. Is it easier to take both engine and trans together or separate them while still in the car? Also, any other short cuts, ins and outs, problems I should be aware of?

Thanks much.



Mike Clark
Stockbridge, Georgia

 

[Craig Parada]

Part the First:
I pulled the engine first and then the transmission, and don't know if removing them together is any easier. They are going back in together because it's easier to match them out of the car.

Part the Second:
-> Clear a lot of shelf, bench and floor space.
-> Buy a box of latex gloves and a case of paper towels
-> Have your Parts and Maintenance books handy
-> Take lots of pictures (close ups and wide angle)
-> Make drawings
-> Note the order you remove things (to reverse later) - it really matters
(Thanks to Ken C. for saving me a week by reminding me to install the shift rods before the power-train!)
-> Bag all the little bits in plastic bags (and mark them!)
-> Tag everything else with paper tags (with strings or wires)
-> Keep "like" stuff together (brakes, clutch, etc.)
-> Take more pictures
-> Use painting tape to ID EVERY wire
-> Clean as you go
-> The deeper you go, the more you'll find that Needs To Be Done (and all your friends will agree). How close you get to the Infinity of Perfection is up to you... (My experience with Time Estimation is to figure out how long each part of the task will take and multiply that by four.)

You have an entire community of Amphicar crazies who are more than happy to tell you how they think you should do it if you only give us a chance - and most of it is really good advice even if it is free!

Craig Parada, Alviso, Calif.
(1964 „Helblau" Amphicar "Ratty" still set for relaunch on Sept 1, 2010...)

 

[Ed Price]

It's more hassle and weight and bulk to pull the engine and trans as a unit,
but it's also safer. If you are good, really know what you're doing, you can
pull the engine without the trans, but the danger of damaging the trans
input shaft and bearings is greater.

Assuming that you are using a hydraulic crane to pull the engine, it helps
to remove the engine cover. What really helps is to raise the front of the
Amphi to give the engine a better angle of withdrawal. Use a hydraulic floor
jack with some 4x4's to block the front as high as you can; then you don't
have to point the timing chain end of the engine as high in the air to clear
the bodywork. One of those adjustable center lift screws can help you tilt
the angle of the engine as the crane picks it out.

Obviously, you have to drop the rear axles to free the transmission. Not so
obviously, don't forget to disconnect the clutch cable bracket from the
transmission case.

Ed Price
Membership Chairman
International Amphicar Owners Club
El Cajon, CA USA
WB6WSN
1961 Amphicar 770
1987 MB 420SEL





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From: slantflat [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:07 PM
To: edprice@cox.net
Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20924] Pulling an engine



Good evening group.

I'm considering pulling the engine out of my car. Is it easier to take both
engine and trans together or separate them while still in the car? Also, any
other short cuts, ins and outs, problems I should be aware of?

Thanks much.



Mike Clark
Stockbridge, Georgia

 

[tpls63]

If you need to pull them both for cleaning/painting/rust repair or something anyway, it's a heckuva lot easier to take them out together with a cherry picker. It would be a bitch to manhandle that tranny out through the back seat.
reinstalling the engine to a tranny in the car takes a frickin miracle to get the shaft aligned so putting them back in together is a heckuva lot easier too.
DON'T forget to also disconnect the speedometer cable. It's kinda hidden and easy to overlook. done that.
I seriously doubt you can get the engine out Ed without taking the louvered cover off. It (at least mine) doesn't open anywhere near far enough to get the engine out.
Raising the front of the car does in fact make it easier

It's more hassle and weight and bulk to pull the engine and trans as a unit,
but it's also safer. If you are good, really know what you're doing, you can
pull the engine without the trans, but the danger of damaging the trans
input shaft and bearings is greater.

Assuming that you are using a hydraulic crane to pull the engine, it helps
to remove the engine cover. What really helps is to raise the front of the
Amphi to give the engine a better angle of withdrawal. Use a hydraulic floor
jack with some 4x4's to block the front as high as you can; then you don't
have to point the timing chain end of the engine as high in the air to clear
the bodywork. One of those adjustable center lift screws can help you tilt
the angle of the engine as the crane picks it out.

Obviously, you have to drop the rear axles to free the transmission. Not so
obviously, don't forget to disconnect the clutch cable bracket from the
transmission case.

Ed Price
Membership Chairman
International Amphicar Owners Club
El Cajon, CA USA
WB6WSN
1961 Amphicar 770
1987 MB 420SEL





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From: slantflat [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:07 PM
To: edprice@cox.net
Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20924] Pulling an engine



Good evening group.

I'm considering pulling the engine out of my car. Is it easier to take both
engine and trans together or separate them while still in the car? Also, any
other short cuts, ins and outs, problems I should be aware of?

Thanks much.



Mike Clark
Stockbridge, Georgia

 

[canitfloat]

I have tried both ways and find it so much easier to remove the engine by itself. Disconnect engine mounts and lift engine enough to get a chunk of 2x4 under tranny, then unbolt engine from tranny and pull out engine. Going back in I found to be very easy too with the tranny lifted that small amount it slid right back into place. Of course clutch has to be centered properly.

 

[SNOWBIRD]

Mike.
I agree with Dave.W, if you do not need to do anything to trany, it is ALOT of work to pull axles out. it means even taking seats out to relase E brakes.
I have pulled a motor, put a new clutch system(John F) and had motor back in and set, in an afternoon.Muffler must come off and sometimes thats a pain but U pipe can stay on.
GORD S.

 

[slantflat]

Thanks you guys for the tips. I'm taking the engine and trans out, as well as everything else so I can start my 16 year old restoration. I'm stripping it down to the bare bones. I may never get it back together but if I don't start it now I never will.

The engine, with a whopping 14000 miles on it, will be rebuilt. I think I've cooked it a time or two. The trans needs syncros and I don't know if that can be done without tearing the whole thing down. I'll worry about that later.

I wonder what I'll find when everything is out. A few of my tools, maybe, or someone elses?


Mike





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Subject: RE: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20924] Re: Pulling an engine
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 19:34:07 -0400
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Mike.
I agree with Dave.W, if you do not need to do anything to trany, it is ALOT of work to pull axles out. it means even taking seats out to relase E brakes.
I have pulled a motor, put a new clutch system(John F) and had motor back in and set, in an afternoon.Muffler must come off and sometimes thats a pain but U pipe can stay on.
GORD S.

 

[Larry DePasquale]

Mike, I can only speak for myself, but I pulled the engine and trans out
together, replaced the clutch, cleaned & painted them and put them back in
together. Have a buddy with you to help maneuver it. Mine works fine but have
clutch chatter. I am going to put some miles on it and if it doesn't go away, I
will replace it. I used a 40 year old, off the shelf new clutch and pressure
plate I found at an MG shop. I should have talked to John Freeze.

Larry D*
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Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 8:06:49 PM
Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20924] Pulling an engine



Good evening group.

I'm considering pulling the engine out of my car. Is it easier to take both
engine and trans together or separate them while still in the car? Also, any
other short cuts, ins and outs, problems I should be aware of?

Thanks much.



Mike Clark
Stockbridge, Georgia