People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn a lesson

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Hi guys, I read a good deal of what is posted, most of the topics are dealt with by people with a tremendous knowledge of the Amphi so there is no need for me to contribute.
As to the value of an Amphi, here goes.
I bought two running, swimming Amphicars on Thanksgiving day 1998 for $11,000 each. That was the"going" price at the timeno realbargain but they both had new paint, tops and seat covers. These were nice clean cars.
I restored the white one andadded abright red top and trim. I sold that car for $28,000 at Celina in 2003. I put alot in that car and it was gorgeous. I think $28000 was the"going" price at the time for a nice car. That car is worth $40,000 or more now, that's the "going" price now.
I think some of us need to wake up and smell the coffee. There are about 450 or so Amphis swimming or at least running now. Probably 40 or 50 more will be brought back from the dead. I don't think these little cars are ever going to become less fun or captivating to own.
Even rusty, no brakes but complete Amphicars are worth $30,000 now. Amphicars are among the MOST under priced collectorcars.
Every time I drive an Amphi I encounter people that has never seenof a car that swims. Some of those people become Amphicar owners. That makes the price go up.The exposure these cars are getting at the big auctions is setting the price. They will all be worth $50,000 in 2010 and $90,000 in 2020 if my guess is right.
They are under the money now, under the money for sure and as long as they are, they will keep going up in price quicker that most cars.
Before the Internet, people thought these were carswith NO parts were available, and they sorta were. But now with the parts and knowledge available here the cars go up in value. Face it boys the cars are worth what they are selling for. I often wonder why owners don't want the value to increase. I don't have a problem with these little cars selling for what they are really worth.
Calm down Mr Soapbox. People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn the same lesson we all have. Tuff luck.
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Hi guys, I read a good deal of what is posted, most of the topics are dealt with by people with a tremendous knowledge of the Amphi so there is no need for me to contribute.
As to the value of an Amphi, here goes.
I bought two running, swimming Amphicars on Thanksgiving day 1998 for $11,000 each. That was the"going" price at the timeno realbargain but they both had new paint, tops and seat covers. These were nice clean cars.
I restored the white one andadded abright red top and trim. I sold that car for $28,000 at Celina in 2003. I put alot in that car and it was gorgeous. I think $28000 was the"going" price at the time for a nice car. That car is worth $40,000 or more now, that's the "going" price now.
I think some of us need to wake up and smell the coffee. There are about 450 or so Amphis swimming or at least running now. Probably 40 or 50 more will be brought back from the dead. I don't think these little cars are ever going to become less fun or captivating to own.
Even rusty, no brakes but complete Amphicars are worth $30,000 now. Amphicars are among the MOST under priced collectorcars.
Every time I drive an Amphi I encounter people that has never seenof a car that swims. Some of those people become Amphicar owners. That makes the price go up.The exposure these cars are getting at the big auctions is setting the price. They will all be worth $50,000 in 2010 and $90,000 in 2020 if my guess is right.
They are under the money now, under the money for sure and as long as they are, they will keep going up in price quicker that most cars.
Before the Internet, people thought these were carswith NO parts were available, and they sorta were. But now with the parts and knowledge available here the cars go up in value. Face it boys the cars are worth what they are selling for. I often wonder why owners don't want the value to increase. I don't have a problem with these little cars selling for what they are really worth.
Calm down Mr Soapbox. People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn the same lesson we all have. Tuff luck.
Later, Tommy</font>
 
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TommyI totally agree... Cigarman

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Re: Re: People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn a lesson

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Poda,

Spoken like a true politician, So it looks like you will be in the running in 2008 or 2010....

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Re: Re: People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn a lesson

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Poda,

Spoken like a true politician, So it looks like you will be in the running in 2008 or 2010....

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>Face it boys the cars are worth what they are selling for. I often
>wonder why owners don't want the value to increase. I don't have a
>problem with these little cars selling for what they are really
>worth.

I don't think anyone has an issue with a good cars going to top
dollar, or with values that are on the rise. I think what John is
talking about is a top dollar being asked for garbage, and the word
"restored" being tossed around on these incorrect rust buckets. A
good Amphi can bring big money, but that doesn't mean every Amphi is
worth big money. IMO.

Mike


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>Face it boys the cars are worth what they are selling for. I often
>wonder why owners don't want the value to increase. I don't have a
>problem with these little cars selling for what they are really
>worth.

I don't think anyone has an issue with a good cars going to top
dollar, or with values that are on the rise. I think what John is
talking about is a top dollar being asked for garbage, and the word
"restored" being tossed around on these incorrect rust buckets. A
good Amphi can bring big money, but that doesn't mean every Amphi is
worth big money. IMO.

Mike


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21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864
ph: 207-594-8086 fax: 207-594-8120

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One other thing to consider when we
analyze an Amphi that is up for sale/
auction? eventually someone will buy
that Amphi and very likely join our
little community here on Mike's Yahoo
group and/or the IAOC. Ideally they
would already be a member of both as
part of their research in making a wise
purchase, but often a buyer will find
us after they have spent the money and
now need our help. So ultimately what
we say about a car (or the individual
selling a car) is recorded here for
this new owner to see should they do
a search. That said, I would caution
those making a sport of finding faults
with prospective Amphicars and recommend
comments be spun into informative
recommendations for potential buyers.

Amphipoda (still being politically correct for another 27 days)
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
 
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Amphipoda

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One other thing to consider when we
analyze an Amphi that is up for sale/
auction? eventually someone will buy
that Amphi and very likely join our
little community here on Mike's Yahoo
group and/or the IAOC. Ideally they
would already be a member of both as
part of their research in making a wise
purchase, but often a buyer will find
us after they have spent the money and
now need our help. So ultimately what
we say about a car (or the individual
selling a car) is recorded here for
this new owner to see should they do
a search. That said, I would caution
those making a sport of finding faults
with prospective Amphicars and recommend
comments be spun into informative
recommendations for potential buyers.

Amphipoda (still being politically correct for another 27 days)
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
 
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a_colo_native

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> One other thing to consider when we
> analyze an Amphi that is up for sale/
> auction? eventually someone will buy
> that Amphi and very likely join our
> little community here on Mike's Yahoo
> group and/or the IAOC. Ideally they
> would already be a member of both as
> part of their research in making a wise
> purchase, but often a buyer will find
> us after they have spent the money and
> now need our help. So ultimately what
> we say about a car (or the individual
> selling a car) is recorded here for
> this new owner to see should they do
> a search. That said, I would caution
> those making a sport of finding faults
> with prospective Amphicars and recommend
> comments be spun into informative
> recommendations for potential buyers.

I would hope that whom ever buys it that they do see what we have
found wrong with it. This could be very informative and quite
possibly saving them a big heartache for them before the money is
gone. It will give them the faults to look at and use for
negotiations. Even better (this is why I posted about it in the
first place) would be for them to find us BEFORE they follow through
with the $50k bid already posted. ->If<- that is an actual buyer,
and not a shill. They would be happy to learn about what they are
spending the money on. This could be the valuable lesson Tommy
speaks of.

If eBay still showed who is bidding, I would have sent them a little
anonymous note so they don't end up thinking all Amphicar owners are
willing to rip them off. There is already a couple of names that
always come up in conversation when poorly done Amphicars show up on
the market for 2+ times what they are worth. Nothing has been said
about the seller personally, only the car's condition as it is
represented. Had it been described honestly, I would not have said
anything at all. I would hope the seller sees this as well so he
will know that this type thing does not go un-noticed. Maybe the
seller does not realize how poorly his car is done either. Not
likely, but certainly a possibility.

John " " Bevins
 
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a_colo_native

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> One other thing to consider when we
> analyze an Amphi that is up for sale/
> auction? eventually someone will buy
> that Amphi and very likely join our
> little community here on Mike's Yahoo
> group and/or the IAOC. Ideally they
> would already be a member of both as
> part of their research in making a wise
> purchase, but often a buyer will find
> us after they have spent the money and
> now need our help. So ultimately what
> we say about a car (or the individual
> selling a car) is recorded here for
> this new owner to see should they do
> a search. That said, I would caution
> those making a sport of finding faults
> with prospective Amphicars and recommend
> comments be spun into informative
> recommendations for potential buyers.

I would hope that whom ever buys it that they do see what we have
found wrong with it. This could be very informative and quite
possibly saving them a big heartache for them before the money is
gone. It will give them the faults to look at and use for
negotiations. Even better (this is why I posted about it in the
first place) would be for them to find us BEFORE they follow through
with the $50k bid already posted. ->If<- that is an actual buyer,
and not a shill. They would be happy to learn about what they are
spending the money on. This could be the valuable lesson Tommy
speaks of.

If eBay still showed who is bidding, I would have sent them a little
anonymous note so they don't end up thinking all Amphicar owners are
willing to rip them off. There is already a couple of names that
always come up in conversation when poorly done Amphicars show up on
the market for 2+ times what they are worth. Nothing has been said
about the seller personally, only the car's condition as it is
represented. Had it been described honestly, I would not have said
anything at all. I would hope the seller sees this as well so he
will know that this type thing does not go un-noticed. Maybe the
seller does not realize how poorly his car is done either. Not
likely, but certainly a possibility.

John " " Bevins
 
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Amphipoda

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Perhaps I wasn't clear in my comment. I was only suggesting these
critiques become more constructive for the potential buyers as
opposed to ripping the Amphi and/or seller. Something like "Whoever
buys that Amphi might consider the following: door seals, trunk
seals, lens gasket, etc (all available at G.I. or other suppliers)
and also check for x, y, and z before taking it in the water." A
more positive approach for everyone involved and the message is still
made clear the car needs work. While I can see the "learn the lesson
the hard way" side of the coin, I came along when this group still
extended a friendly fin to tadpoles to help them NOT make the same
mistakes they might have made and/or learned from the experiences of
others. Did the higher prices change all that? Call me na?ve, but I
still think this group is among the finest people I've even met and
keeping it fun & positive is what separates us from so many other
flaming competitive car clubs. Empathize with the Amphicar, the new
buyer, a new member, even the wannabee? You wouldn't want YOUR car
dragged through the proverbial full-contact judging contest, but you
might relish some constructive suggestions, tips, and some new
friends.
JMHO

Amphipoda (sounding liberal but really I'm not)
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
 
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Amphipoda

Guest
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my comment. I was only suggesting these
critiques become more constructive for the potential buyers as
opposed to ripping the Amphi and/or seller. Something like "Whoever
buys that Amphi might consider the following: door seals, trunk
seals, lens gasket, etc (all available at G.I. or other suppliers)
and also check for x, y, and z before taking it in the water." A
more positive approach for everyone involved and the message is still
made clear the car needs work. While I can see the "learn the lesson
the hard way" side of the coin, I came along when this group still
extended a friendly fin to tadpoles to help them NOT make the same
mistakes they might have made and/or learned from the experiences of
others. Did the higher prices change all that? Call me na?ve, but I
still think this group is among the finest people I've even met and
keeping it fun & positive is what separates us from so many other
flaming competitive car clubs. Empathize with the Amphicar, the new
buyer, a new member, even the wannabee? You wouldn't want YOUR car
dragged through the proverbial full-contact judging contest, but you
might relish some constructive suggestions, tips, and some new
friends.
JMHO

Amphipoda (sounding liberal but really I'm not)
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
 
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Paul,
We are not picking on the guy that puts his car together to enjoy it.. This is a good group of people who will only help you...

We are talking about the dealers or guys that slap things together to make a fast buck to the buyer that just doesn't have the know how...

Cigarman</font>
 
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Paul,
We are not picking on the guy that puts his car together to enjoy it.. This is a good group of people who will only help you...

We are talking about the dealers or guys that slap things together to make a fast buck to the buyer that just doesn't have the know how...

Cigarman</font>
 
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PVCJ PVCJ

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Hi Everybody: I don,t write on the computer much, But i have been rebuilding
a 67 amphi for four years now. I did all the work myself and i don,t have
alot of money, After reading everybody picking apart this poor amphi? I,m
not sure I want to bring my car to any show because i worked real hard on my
car/boat and spend alot of money and time and i am real proud of it! I,m not
sure i whould be able to take anybody telling me all the things i did wrong.
It is not perfact BUT IT IS MINE.
Starting to feel bad about a car i worked so hard on PAUL


>From: capon23@aol.com
>Reply-To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
>To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn a
>lesson
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:59:43 EST
>
>Tommy I totally agree... Cigarman
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Hi Everybody: I don,t write on the computer much, But i have been rebuilding
a 67 amphi for four years now. I did all the work myself and i don,t have
alot of money, After reading everybody picking apart this poor amphi? I,m
not sure I want to bring my car to any show because i worked real hard on my
car/boat and spend alot of money and time and i am real proud of it! I,m not
sure i whould be able to take anybody telling me all the things i did wrong.
It is not perfact BUT IT IS MINE.
Starting to feel bad about a car i worked so hard on PAUL


>From: capon23@aol.com
>Reply-To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
>To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] People who buy bad Amphicars need to learn a
>lesson
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:59:43 EST
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>Tommy I totally agree... Cigarman
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Paul,
DO NOT feel bad about your car or your work. I believe the comments
John and others made are because someone is trying to profit from
selling an Amphicar, and some of us think that if you are going to
ask top dollar when you sell, then you better be offering top
quality. I do not believe for a second that anyone would judge your
car in a negative light (or at least I don't think they should). If
you put a 70,000. for sale sign on on it you will likely invite some
comments, but if you built your ride to enjoy everyone will enjoy it
along with you, or at least I would will.

Mike Smith
64 Amphi-resto-mod


ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864
ph: 207-594-8086 fax: 207-594-8120

http://www.eastcoastrover.com

ECR emails are for information exchange only, they are not quotes or
estimates. All work at ECR is done on a time and materials basis.
Install costs and overall project costs can not be given as used and
vintage vehicles vary greatly in condition.

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/FAQ.html

We suggest all 1993-1995 NAS Defender owners read this page:
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Paul,
DO NOT feel bad about your car or your work. I believe the comments
John and others made are because someone is trying to profit from
selling an Amphicar, and some of us think that if you are going to
ask top dollar when you sell, then you better be offering top
quality. I do not believe for a second that anyone would judge your
car in a negative light (or at least I don't think they should). If
you put a 70,000. for sale sign on on it you will likely invite some
comments, but if you built your ride to enjoy everyone will enjoy it
along with you, or at least I would will.

Mike Smith
64 Amphi-resto-mod


ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864
ph: 207-594-8086 fax: 207-594-8120

http://www.eastcoastrover.com

ECR emails are for information exchange only, they are not quotes or
estimates. All work at ECR is done on a time and materials basis.
Install costs and overall project costs can not be given as used and
vintage vehicles vary greatly in condition.

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/FAQ.html

We suggest all 1993-1995 NAS Defender owners read this page:
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/110oillines.html
 
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