original colours

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Ren? Pohl

Guest
Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint shops
don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix the
original Amphicar colours?
I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that before,
there would be no need to do it again.
Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who wants
it 100% original and I can?t help.

Thanks for your help,

Ren?
 
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Bill Connelly

Guest
Ren?, et al.:

In response to your posting below about Amphicar colors, the so-called
"Ditzler Codes" for the four standard Amphicar colors and good visual
approximations of them (insofar as this is possible given various computers'
monitor settings) is found on David Chapman's excellent "Amphicar Colour
(Color) Chart" at http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm, where their
normally matching interior color schemes are also noted (though not
illustrated).

Paints can still be purchased using these "Ditzler Codes", particularly from
PPG Industries, which purchased Ditzler Paints some years ago.

There are many different color designation systems out there, but most
automotive coatings manufacturers' catalogs and swatch indexes will still
cross-reference the old standard Ditzler Codes. The "RAL" standard you
mention below is the DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) standard for color for
industrial and manufacturing applications in Germany. It is scarcely ever
used elsewhere. Since available color code conversion packages that include
the RAL standard can be rather expensive (prohibitively so when one
considers that we're only looking up four lousy shades), I have taken the
liberty of sending the following message to PPG Industries' Automotive
Coatings Division. Naturally I will forward any resposes to this List.

See you in Celina. (Hopefully with that "Lustschrei im Urwald" video)
~Bilgemaster~


MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
<http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:

I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the 1960s
and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code 43785),
Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler Code
71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able to
provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also be
happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
German members.

If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please see
http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color schemes,
please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm

We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.

Sincerely,
Bill Connelly
"Bilgemaster"
www.amphicar.net
www.amphicar.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours


> Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
shops
> don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
the
> original Amphicar colours?
> I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
> right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
before,
> there would be no need to do it again.
> Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
> original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who wants
> it 100% original and I can?t help.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Ren?
>
 
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Ren? Pohl

Guest
Thanks Bill, that helps a lot. Sorry David for not having checked your
webside.

Ren?

> MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
> <http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:
>
> I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
> Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the
1960s
> and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code
43785),
> Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler
Code
> 71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
> 12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
> Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able
to
> provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
> standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also
be
> happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
> German members.
>
> If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please
see
> http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color
schemes,
> please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm
>
> We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bill Connelly
> "Bilgemaster"
> www.amphicar.net
> www.amphicar.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
> To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours
>
>
> > Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
> shops
> > don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
> the
> > original Amphicar colours?
> > I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
> > right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
> before,
> > there would be no need to do it again.
> > Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
> > original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who
wants
> > it 100% original and I can?t help.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Ren?
> >
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> amphicar-lovers-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
 
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Robert B. Wright

Guest
The research I conducted onpaint colors may be helpful. Last year I
contacted Hugh Gordon to purchase red paint for my 1967. He indicated the
paint code was Ditzler 71638 red, however he no longer has a source. My
paint shop foreman imformed me P.P.G. purchased Ditzler. The same formula is
now available as , P.P.G. DAR2349 bright mercedes red. This paint may be
purchased at any P.P.G. automotive paint shop, or order from me. this paint
matched my original paint perfectly. ROBERT WRIGHT 812-4793131 quart $25
gallon $125

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Connelly <billiam@erols.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Emiliano Tognon <e.tognon@libero.it>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] original colours


> Ren?, et al.:
>
> In response to your posting below about Amphicar colors, the so-called
> "Ditzler Codes" for the four standard Amphicar colors and good visual
> approximations of them (insofar as this is possible given various
computers'
> monitor settings) is found on David Chapman's excellent "Amphicar Colour
> (Color) Chart" at http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm, where their
> normally matching interior color schemes are also noted (though not
> illustrated).
>
> Paints can still be purchased using these "Ditzler Codes", particularly
from
> PPG Industries, which purchased Ditzler Paints some years ago.
>
> There are many different color designation systems out there, but most
> automotive coatings manufacturers' catalogs and swatch indexes will still
> cross-reference the old standard Ditzler Codes. The "RAL" standard you
> mention below is the DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) standard for color for
> industrial and manufacturing applications in Germany. It is scarcely ever
> used elsewhere. Since available color code conversion packages that
include
> the RAL standard can be rather expensive (prohibitively so when one
> considers that we're only looking up four lousy shades), I have taken the
> liberty of sending the following message to PPG Industries' Automotive
> Coatings Division. Naturally I will forward any resposes to this List.
>
> See you in Celina. (Hopefully with that "Lustschrei im Urwald" video)
> ~Bilgemaster~
>
>
> MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
> <http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:
>
> I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
> Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the
1960s
> and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code
43785),
> Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler
Code
> 71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
> 12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
> Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able
to
> provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
> standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also
be
> happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
> German members.
>
> If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please
see
> http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color
schemes,
> please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm
>
> We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bill Connelly
> "Bilgemaster"
> www.amphicar.net
> www.amphicar.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
> To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours
>
>
> > Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
> shops
> > don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
> the
> > original Amphicar colours?
> > I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
> > right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
> before,
> > there would be no need to do it again.
> > Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
> > original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who
wants
> > it 100% original and I can?t help.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> >
> > Ren?
> >
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> amphicar-lovers-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
 

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