original colours

Discussion in 'General Amphicar Discussion' started by Ren? Pohl, Feb 6, 2001.

  1. Ren? Pohl
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    Ren? Pohl Guest

    Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint shops
    don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix the
    original Amphicar colours?
    I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
    right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that before,
    there would be no need to do it again.
    Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
    original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who wants
    it 100% original and I can?t help.

    Thanks for your help,

    Ren?
     
  2. Bill Connelly
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    Ren?, et al.:

    In response to your posting below about Amphicar colors, the so-called
    "Ditzler Codes" for the four standard Amphicar colors and good visual
    approximations of them (insofar as this is possible given various computers'
    monitor settings) is found on David Chapman's excellent "Amphicar Colour
    (Color) Chart" at http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm, where their
    normally matching interior color schemes are also noted (though not
    illustrated).

    Paints can still be purchased using these "Ditzler Codes", particularly from
    PPG Industries, which purchased Ditzler Paints some years ago.

    There are many different color designation systems out there, but most
    automotive coatings manufacturers' catalogs and swatch indexes will still
    cross-reference the old standard Ditzler Codes. The "RAL" standard you
    mention below is the DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) standard for color for
    industrial and manufacturing applications in Germany. It is scarcely ever
    used elsewhere. Since available color code conversion packages that include
    the RAL standard can be rather expensive (prohibitively so when one
    considers that we're only looking up four lousy shades), I have taken the
    liberty of sending the following message to PPG Industries' Automotive
    Coatings Division. Naturally I will forward any resposes to this List.

    See you in Celina. (Hopefully with that "Lustschrei im Urwald" video)
    ~Bilgemaster~


    MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
    <http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:

    I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
    Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the 1960s
    and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code 43785),
    Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler Code
    71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
    12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
    Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able to
    provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
    standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also be
    happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
    German members.

    If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please see
    http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color schemes,
    please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm

    We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.

    Sincerely,
    Bill Connelly
    "Bilgemaster"
    www.amphicar.net
    www.amphicar.com



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
    To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
    Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
    Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
    Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours


    > Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
    shops
    > don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
    the
    > original Amphicar colours?
    > I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
    > right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
    before,
    > there would be no need to do it again.
    > Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
    > original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who wants
    > it 100% original and I can?t help.
    >
    > Thanks for your help,
    >
    > Ren?
    >
     
  3. Ren? Pohl
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    Ren? Pohl Guest

    Thanks Bill, that helps a lot. Sorry David for not having checked your
    webside.

    Ren?

    > MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
    > <http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:
    >
    > I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
    > Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the
    1960s
    > and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code
    43785),
    > Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler
    Code
    > 71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
    > 12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
    > Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able
    to
    > provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
    > standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also
    be
    > happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
    > German members.
    >
    > If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please
    see
    > http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color
    schemes,
    > please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm
    >
    > We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > Bill Connelly
    > "Bilgemaster"
    > www.amphicar.net
    > www.amphicar.com
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
    > To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
    > Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
    > Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours
    >
    >
    > > Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
    > shops
    > > don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
    > the
    > > original Amphicar colours?
    > > I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
    > > right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
    > before,
    > > there would be no need to do it again.
    > > Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
    > > original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who
    wants
    > > it 100% original and I can?t help.
    > >
    > > Thanks for your help,
    > >
    > > Ren?
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    > amphicar-lovers-unsubscribe@egroups.com
    >
    >
    >
     
  4. Robert B. Wright
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    The research I conducted onpaint colors may be helpful. Last year I
    contacted Hugh Gordon to purchase red paint for my 1967. He indicated the
    paint code was Ditzler 71638 red, however he no longer has a source. My
    paint shop foreman imformed me P.P.G. purchased Ditzler. The same formula is
    now available as , P.P.G. DAR2349 bright mercedes red. This paint may be
    purchased at any P.P.G. automotive paint shop, or order from me. this paint
    matched my original paint perfectly. ROBERT WRIGHT 812-4793131 quart $25
    gallon $125

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Bill Connelly <billiam@erols.com>
    To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
    Cc: Emiliano Tognon <e.tognon@libero.it>
    Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:26 AM
    Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] original colours


    > Ren?, et al.:
    >
    > In response to your posting below about Amphicar colors, the so-called
    > "Ditzler Codes" for the four standard Amphicar colors and good visual
    > approximations of them (insofar as this is possible given various
    computers'
    > monitor settings) is found on David Chapman's excellent "Amphicar Colour
    > (Color) Chart" at http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm, where their
    > normally matching interior color schemes are also noted (though not
    > illustrated).
    >
    > Paints can still be purchased using these "Ditzler Codes", particularly
    from
    > PPG Industries, which purchased Ditzler Paints some years ago.
    >
    > There are many different color designation systems out there, but most
    > automotive coatings manufacturers' catalogs and swatch indexes will still
    > cross-reference the old standard Ditzler Codes. The "RAL" standard you
    > mention below is the DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) standard for color for
    > industrial and manufacturing applications in Germany. It is scarcely ever
    > used elsewhere. Since available color code conversion packages that
    include
    > the RAL standard can be rather expensive (prohibitively so when one
    > considers that we're only looking up four lousy shades), I have taken the
    > liberty of sending the following message to PPG Industries' Automotive
    > Coatings Division. Naturally I will forward any resposes to this List.
    >
    > See you in Celina. (Hopefully with that "Lustschrei im Urwald" video)
    > ~Bilgemaster~
    >
    >
    > MESSAGE TO PPG INDUSTRIES' AUTOMOTIVE COATINGS DIVISION VIA
    > <http://www.ppg.com/con_main/con_carauto.htm>:
    >
    > I am writing on behalf of the International Amphicar Owners Club. The
    > Amphicar was an amphibious vehicle manufactured in Germany during the
    1960s
    > and was produced in basically four colors: Fjord Green (Ditzler Code
    43785),
    > Strand White (Ditzler Code 8703=DAR offset 90113), Regatta Red (Ditzler
    Code
    > 71638=DAR offset 2349) and Lagoon Blue (Ditzler Code 13529=DAR offset
    > 12077). Since your company, PPG Industries, is the successor to the proud
    > Ditzler automotive finishes tradition, we are hoping that you may be able
    to
    > provide us with the equivalent RAL color codes (as used in the German DIN
    > standard for manufacturing) for the abovementioned colors. I would also
    be
    > happy to pass along a list of present-day sources for these paints to our
    > German members.
    >
    > If you should wish to learn more about the Amphicar and our Club, please
    see
    > http://www.amphicar.com. For a fuller discussion of Amphicar color
    schemes,
    > please see http://www.amphicars.com/actcolor.htm
    >
    > We would be grateful for any information you may be able to provide.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > Bill Connelly
    > "Bilgemaster"
    > www.amphicar.net
    > www.amphicar.com
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ren? Pohl" <amphicar@gmx.de>
    > To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
    > Cc: "Emiliano Tognon" <e.tognon@libero.it>
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:41 PM
    > Subject: [amphicar-lovers] original colours
    >
    >
    > > Everybody knows the names of the four original colours. Only the paint
    > shops
    > > don?t! Does anybody got the exact mixture of RAL coloured paints to mix
    > the
    > > original Amphicar colours?
    > > I know there is the possibility to scan the original colour and get the
    > > right mixture from a special computer, but if someone has done that
    > before,
    > > there would be no need to do it again.
    > > Here in Germany everybody just uses similar colours but none is true
    > > original shaded. But I get more and more requests from restorers who
    wants
    > > it 100% original and I can?t help.
    > >
    > > Thanks for your help,
    > >
    > > Ren?
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    > amphicar-lovers-unsubscribe@egroups.com
    >
    >
    >
     
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