Negativity & Opinion

WB6WSN · Mar 6, 2005

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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: skk0819
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:47 PM
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: Gordon's list

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Enlightened to the behavoir of humans? Whatever. I really was
gonna just chalk this one up to should have kept my opinion to
myself, and let it go, but then someone has to call me out as
basically as a "know-it-all newbie"...
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So please really look at what i was saying.
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It's just an opinion, nothing more. No attacks made on Hugh, no
curse words, just a bit of disappoiintment/frustration, and
wondering if anyone thought along the same lines. As many people
emailed me agreeing, as did become indignant, and rail against
insulting Hugh (which I did not do).
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i stand by what i said, and I am not being nasty, profane or
personal, but trust me, I'll keep it to myself next time.

Like I said, this is simply too cool a forum to get caught up in a
lot of negativity,
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So what can we learn from this thread?

Commenting on a business practice, even negatively, is NOT at attack on the business or the business owner.
Commenting on a business that serves the group community is certainly on-topic.
What one reasonable person thinks is a poor business practice, another reasonable person may see as normal and acceptable.
You should first try to resolve your unhappiness off-list. But if that doesn't work, your experience may be useful to others in the group, making the posting of the subject also on-topic.
Making assumptions about why somebody does something, their experience and/or motivation, is usually a really dumb course.
In any news list, someone always feels the need to correct transgressions (moi? <g>).
Polite public discussion is the reason that we're all here. Unhappiness, disapointment and frustration can always be presented politely (we always should refine our thoughts to prevent negativity from becoming a rant). Expect polite discourse, but always provide it first.
Censorship isthe killer of free discussion. It leads directly to "...I'll keep it to myself next time." I feel the value of a discussion group is severly diminished if the members feel under constant threat of censorship. Pretty soon, the level of information will devolve to comments like "Can't wait for Spring", "It's raining today" and "Who will meet me at the campsite?"
Lists operate with an owner who has absolute, unappealable authority to delete any participant. This czarist power is the list community's protection from the unbalanced, rude, profane, violent, racist, sexist or otherwise disgusting creeps which inhabit cyberspace. A good list owner will delete an individual before the list forms a lynch mob; so whenever you're tempted to look for a rope, consider why the sheriff hasn't already shot the varmint. (Have I been watching too many westerns, pilgrim?)
The authoritarian figure of the list owner makesthe other list-killing practice (endless debate on parlaimentary procedure, rules and points of order)unnecessary. If you feel someone has flipped you the verbal bird, you should take it up OFF-LIST with the owner. He'll either take appropriate action, or tell you that you're overly sensitive. If the latter, then you can simply unsubscribe from the fellowship of those rude people.

Whew, 10 talking points. Some people just don't know when to shut up!

Ed
El Cajon, CA USA
67 Rust Guppy
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skk0819 · Mar 6, 2005

Very very well spoken, much better communication ability than I will
ever have....

Oh, and all of your points are excellent (my opinion
only, of course).....

How's the weather up there? <grin>

Scott

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "WB6WSN" <wb6wsn@c...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: skk0819
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:47 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: Gordon's list
>
>
>
> Enlightened to the behavoir of humans? Whatever. I really was
> gonna just chalk this one up to should have kept my opinion to
> myself, and let it go, but then someone has to call me out as
> basically as a "know-it-all newbie"...
>
> SNIP
>
> So please really look at what i was saying.
>
> SNIP
>
> It's just an opinion, nothing more. No attacks made on Hugh, no
> curse words, just a bit of disappoiintment/frustration, and
> wondering if anyone thought along the same lines. As many people
> emailed me agreeing, as did become indignant, and rail against
> insulting Hugh (which I did not do).
>
> SNIP
>
> i stand by what i said, and I am not being nasty, profane or
> personal, but trust me, I'll keep it to myself next time.
>
> Like I said, this is simply too cool a forum to get caught up in a
> lot of negativity,
>
>
> So what can we learn from this thread?
> 1.. Commenting on a business practice, even negatively, is NOT at
attack on the business or the business owner.
> 2.. Commenting on a business that serves the group community is
certainly on-topic.
> 3.. What one reasonable person thinks is a poor business practice,
another reasonable person may see as normal and acceptable.
> 4.. You should first try to resolve your unhappiness off-list. But
if that doesn't work, your experience may be useful to others in the
group, making the posting of the subject also on-topic.
> 5.. Making assumptions about why somebody does something, their
experience and/or motivation, is usually a really dumb course.
> 6.. In any news list, someone always feels the need to correct
transgressions (moi? <g>).
> 7.. Polite public discussion is the reason that we're all here.
Unhappiness, disapointment and frustration can always be presented
politely (we always should refine our thoughts to prevent negativity
from becoming a rant). Expect polite discourse, but always provide it
first.
> 8.. Censorship is the killer of free discussion. It leads directly
to "...I'll keep it to myself next time." I feel the value of a
discussion group is severly diminished if the members feel under
constant threat of censorship. Pretty soon, the level of information
will devolve to comments like "Can't wait for Spring", "It's raining
today" and "Who will meet me at the campsite?"
> 9.. Lists operate with an owner who has absolute, unappealable
authority to delete any participant. This czarist power is the list
community's protection from the unbalanced, rude, profane, violent,
racist, sexist or otherwise disgusting creeps which inhabit
cyberspace. A good list owner will delete an individual before the
list forms a lynch mob; so whenever you're tempted to look for a rope,
consider why the sheriff hasn't already shot the varmint. (Have I been
watching too many westerns, pilgrim?)
> 10.. The authoritarian figure of the list owner makes the other
list-killing practice (endless debate on parlaimentary procedure,
rules and points of order) unnecessary. If you feel someone has
flipped you the verbal bird, you should take it up OFF-LIST with the
owner. He'll either take appropriate action, or tell you that you're
overly sensitive. If the latter, then you can simply unsubscribe from
the fellowship of those rude people.
> Whew, 10 talking points. Some people just don't know when to shut up!
>
> Ed
> El Cajon, CA USA
> 67 Rust Guppy

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