Immigration

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rogtwo@aol.com

Guest
In response to Ray:

"Why have immigration laws in the first place?" -- Mainly to preserve or
standard of living. Have we ever had a Mexican immigrant (the country from
which
we get the most immigrants - legal or illegal) turn out to be a terrorist?

"Without someone to watch over us that shoe bomber might have been
successful" -- The shoe bomber was thwarted thanks to a vigilant stewardess. I
don't
think the stewardess had any connection or concern about immigration law.

"You don't like them... [immigration laws] ...get them changed." -- I do what
I can to achieve this -- this discussion being one of those efforts. Thanks
for your encouragement.

Roger



In a message dated 2/8/04 6:45:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, rayhand@yahoo.com
writes:
Why have immigration laws in the first place? Why have check points &
border guards? Oh Yea, 9/11! Without someone to watch over us that
shoe bomber might have been sucessful. What about all the ones that
are stopped that we don't read about. Why not just let them
go...after they bomb us back to the stone age maybe then they'll leave
us alone. Just because someone found a way to waterproof an old Buick
is no reason to circumvent our laws. You don't like them......get
them changed. Ray


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Ray Handloser

Guest
Why have immigration laws in the first place? Why have check points &
border guards? Oh Yea, 9/11! Without someone to watch over us that
shoe bomber might have been sucessful. What about all the ones that
are stopped that we don't read about. Why not just let them
go...after they bomb us back to the stone age maybe then they'll leave
us alone. Just because someone found a way to waterproof an old Buick
is no reason to circumvent our laws. You don't like them......get
them changed. Ray


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, tazman3115@a... wrote:
> I feel I must put my two cents in on the Cubans. I appreciate the
effort and
> courage that went into the two voyages toward freedom but how many more
> refugees can we place on the welfare roles. The coast guard guys are
only doing
> their unappreciated jobs. Yes I know they want a better life, and I
do not blame
> them for that, but look at all the Mexican aliens coming into the
country and
> taking American jobs. No, I am sorry to be so hard nosed but an
honorary
> membership would not really be appropriate when there are too many
Americans not
> working and do not have enough to eat, thanks to our welfare
system. We just do
> not need more mouths to feed or we will be feeding all the world
eventually.
> Chuck
>
>
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Ray Handloser

Guest
I realize that the shoe bomber was caught by a flight attendant. He
should have been stopped way before he got on that plane. A border
guard caught & turned away the so called 20th highjacker. You don't
think that at least one of the few illegals have hurt or killed some
one in this country? What's the difference if you're killed by a
terrorist or an illegal. You're still dead. That's like the
difference between a recession & a depression. A recession is when
your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose your job.
What if someone did the backstroke all the way to America from Cuba &
all the backstrokers got together & wanted to give that swimmer a free
pass? Where does it end? It ends with the immigration &
naturalization service, & coming to America legally.

--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, rogtwo@a... wrote:
> In response to Ray:
>
> "Why have immigration laws in the first place?" -- Mainly to
preserve or
> standard of living. Have we ever had a Mexican immigrant (the
country from which
> we get the most immigrants - legal or illegal) turn out to be a
terrorist?
>
> "Without someone to watch over us that shoe bomber might have been
> successful" -- The shoe bomber was thwarted thanks to a vigilant
stewardess. I don't
> think the stewardess had any connection or concern about immigration
law.
>
> "You don't like them... [immigration laws] ...get them changed." --
I do what
> I can to achieve this -- this discussion being one of those efforts.
Thanks
> for your encouragement.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/8/04 6:45:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rayhand@y...
> writes:
> Why have immigration laws in the first place? Why have check points &
> border guards? Oh Yea, 9/11! Without someone to watch over us that
> shoe bomber might have been sucessful. What about all the ones that
> are stopped that we don't read about. Why not just let them
> go...after they bomb us back to the stone age maybe then they'll leave
> us alone. Just because someone found a way to waterproof an old Buick
> is no reason to circumvent our laws. You don't like them......get
> them changed. Ray
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
W

WB6WSN

Guest
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Handloser
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Immigration


Why have immigration laws in the first place? Why have check points &
border guards? Oh Yea, 9/11! Without someone to watch over us that
shoe bomber might have been sucessful. What about all the ones that
are stopped that we don't read about. Why not just let them
go...after they bomb us back to the stone age maybe then they'll leave
us alone. Just because someone found a way to waterproof an old Buick
is no reason to circumvent our laws. You don't like them......get
them changed. Ray




Our Amphi list isn't really a good place to get into a long discussion of
immigration law. But....

I will opine that I AM in favor of granting certain exemptions to certain laws.
Yes, we need secure borders, and yes, we need laws and policies to guide and
ensure the vigilance of those who protect our borders. As one who lives quite
close to the USA / Mexican border, I am well aware of the many problems of
illegal immigration.

OTOH, the Cuban situation is unique. For many years, the Cuban government has
sought to subvert American interests and damage freedom, everywhere from Angola
to Bolivia to Grenada to Venezuela. For our part, we have invaded Cuba, kept a
military presence on Cuban soil (Guantanamo Bay), provided a haven (south
Florida) for Cuban dissidents and maintained a rather strict embargo on Cuba.

One of the difficulties we have with giving haven to Cuban refugees is that the
Cuban government has previously suckered Uncle Sam by dumping felons into the
mix of emigrants (Mariel boatlift). Further complicating the picture is the
strong political influence that the Cuban refugees have on US politics (Cubans
are not invisible in the USA, they organize and vote!).

I think that the best US policy would be to declare an end to the embargo (which
is a stalemate now), mention that Fidel & the rest of the hardliners are an
anachronism, and allow capitalism and our culture to supply the demands of 40
years of Cuban deprivation. Fidel will declare victory over the USA, and we can
then get on with life. We might not get perfect results, but I think it would be
a lot better than present conditions.

Meanwhile, it's my opinion that any Cuban that demonstrates the perseverance and
zeal to get into the USA that was recently demonstrated, ought to get special
consideration. No, not immediate citizenship. Something like a probationary
period, followed by some kind of resident alien status. (And people who want to
help can do things like help these guys get a job, maybe get a course in
welding, etc.) Besides, should our Cuban policy change, people like this will be
the ideal "capitalistic infection" that we want in the wave of returning
refugees.

Finally, I do have considerable reservations about the exercise of American
power. I find it difficult to understand how our Coast Guard can board and seize
freighters in mid-Pacific. We may not like what they are carrying, but was that
reason enough for the North Koreans to seize the Pueblo, the Cambodians to seize
the Mayaguez, or for the Israelis to attack the Liberty? The last Cuban incident
was within USA territorial waters, but I still don't want my Coast Guard acting
like Bulgarian border guards. Sure, I keep trying to change the laws by voting
out the rascals, but there seems to be an infinite supply of rascals.

And now let's return to our regularly scheduled amphibious obsessions.


Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy


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Greg

Guest
I'm not going to say that I believe these guys should
be let in the country automatically but I seriously
doubt there would be a flood of people floating Buicks
90 miles over very rough water into this country if an
exception was made. The ingenuity it takes to do that
is truely astonishing. Who of us could get a 5000
pound hunk of iron loaded with a dozen people to float
for 15 minutes let alone 90 miles. I for one couldn't.
I don't want anymore people to sponge off our
generousity but my feeling is anyone who could do that
wouldn't be sitting on their hands collecting welfare
for long. That sounds like the kind of pioneers who
made this country the beacon that it is. Remember all
of us are here because someone else took a chance,
endured the hardship of the journey and followed a
dream to come here. Thanks grandma.
Greg Zinkosky

--- Ray Handloser <rayhand@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why have immigration laws in the first place? Why
> have check points &
> border guards? Oh Yea, 9/11! Without someone to
> watch over us that
> shoe bomber might have been sucessful. What about
> all the ones that
> are stopped that we don't read about. Why not just
> let them
> go...after they bomb us back to the stone age maybe
> then they'll leave
> us alone. Just because someone found a way to
> waterproof an old Buick
> is no reason to circumvent our laws. You don't like
> them......get
> them changed. Ray
>
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com,
> tazman3115@a... wrote:
> > I feel I must put my two cents in on the Cubans.
> I appreciate the
> effort and
> > courage that went into the two voyages toward
> freedom but how many more
> > refugees can we place on the welfare roles. The
> coast guard guys are
> only doing
> > their unappreciated jobs. Yes I know they want a
> better life, and I
> do not blame
> > them for that, but look at all the Mexican aliens
> coming into the
> country and
> > taking American jobs. No, I am sorry to be so hard
> nosed but an
> honorary
> > membership would not really be appropriate when
> there are too many
> Americans not
> > working and do not have enough to eat, thanks to
> our welfare
> system. We just do
> > not need more mouths to feed or we will be feeding
> all the world
> eventually.
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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