R
Robert
Guest
For what it is worth, I have owned 3 Amphicars over the past 15 years and
have never had a generator problem. Now that I carry a spare voltage
regulator and generator, I'll bet that I will never have a problem! "When
you have it, you won't need it". That belief has always worked for me. So I
will be one that doesn't believe in the alternator conversion.
I believe that one should spend the time reinforcing the steering bow
instead of worrying about the lack of electrical power at low rpms. Anyone
that thinks that they don't need to do something about that defect is not
looking close enough. I have frequently heard the comment that "My steering
box doesn't move, so I don't need to reinforce mine". Wait until you hit the
right pot hole!
Rob Vondracek
'64 red
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. bearings and mistakes
From: Dave Derer <dmd@essex1.com>
2. Re: Digest Number 874
From: chasgould@aol.com
3. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Greg <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Bearing retraction
From: rogtwo@aol.com
5. Grease Fittings needed
From: Randy Bograd <rdboggie@juno.com>
6. Re: Drive Shaft Boots
From: "Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>"
<amphicar770@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Re: Bearing retraction
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Grease Fittings
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
9. generator or alternator
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
10. water pump
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
11. Bildge Pump
From: "Rusty" <russcihlar@charter.net>
12. Re: generator or alternator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
13. Re: Bildge Pump
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
14. Re:Re: Grease Fittings
From: rdboggie@juno.com
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:47:52 -0600
From: Dave Derer <dmd@essex1.com>
Subject: bearings and mistakes
Scott and fellow Amphibians, I do not know why I react the way I do
sometimes. When I read your posting I saw it as a way to put up a part
number, more really to piss Hugh off than to be help full. I made an
assumption based on my past experience with locating same part. I in
blunt terms did not believe you went through the work to figure it out.
For this I apologize. Instead of thinking, I reacted. As I age I do this
less and less. But as seen I am still able to put on a full size set of
Donkey Ears. I hope I can be forgiven. I also hope that this did not
slow some one else down from working on other bearing and parts
replacements. Very Sincerely Dave the Wave
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:54:02 EST
From: chasgould@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 874
In a message dated 1/7/2003 8:06:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
> alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
> also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep
> up with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of
> the voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
> trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform
better
> at all RPM, and will be way more reliable
I definately agree that the alternator conversion is desireable for a number
of reasons, especially if your car has experienced electrical problems.
However, I have to tell you that my Amphi generator has NEVER let me down,
except when the bakelite pulley exloded (Twice!). And that includes my Amphi
starting right up after sitting for five months without a battery charge! I
did spring for a brand new regulator, and maybe that is the culprit that
causes all of the generator problems?
Just my 2 cents worth.
Chas
Ivory 1962
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:31:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
--- Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com> wrote:
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99
> for the starter
> (part # 16121.....
I can vouch for the starter- #16121 is correct and is
an exact match. I've had it on mine for over a year.
Greg Z.(Michigan)
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:05:33 EST
From: rogtwo@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bearing retraction
Scott,
Please don't stop suggesting alternate parts. While I thankfully don't need
transmission parts at this time, being a brand-new Amphicar owner, I'm very
interested in alternate parts. Here's my contribution:
I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen Eurovan for the drive-shaft
boots on my car. The rubber in these boots is not reinforced, so I don't
know how well they will holdup, but they look good and fit fairly well. The
VW part number is 7D0-419-831 and I paid about $12 each for them at the VW
dealer.
A couple of notes about how I installed them. First, I cut out the small
end
of the boot (this is fairly obvious when you look at one). Second, I put a
somewhat flexible plastic sleeve over the spring. I did this to keep the
corrugations of the boot from getting in-between the coils of the spring. I
feared the boot might get pinched by the spring. Also, if the boot were to
shift significantly off center (which it might if it worked between the
coils) it would cause the shaft to be off balance. Finally, I just used two
plastic wire ties at each end of the boot to seal it to the axle. I'm not
sure if this is the best idea.
So anyway Scott, please don't be too disappointed by the replies to your
suggestion. I think others had legitimate concerns about the fitness of the
bearing you found for the application you suggested. Please just take these
comments as other peoples best advice (from their point of view). And keep
submitting suggestions. They are appreciated.
Roger
PS - I plan to enter my above boot suggestion to Amphicar.net's Parts Tips
page as soon as I have time.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:28:57 -0500
From: Randy Bograd <rdboggie@juno.com>
Subject: Grease Fittings needed
I need two king pin grease fittings for my '67. Turns out the front wheel
assemblies, when off the car, flop around enough to break these little
guys off. Gordons has none in stock. Please contact me offline to work
out the details.
Also, I have an alignment problem with the transmission and axle tunnel.
The transmission is about 1/2 inch higher than it should be (or maybe the
tunnel is 1/2 inch lower than it should be. The result is the inner
u-joints scrape against the upper portion of the tunnel. My current
option is to put some shims under the tunnels to raise them up a bit.
Anyone else experience this?
thanks,
Randy
Blue '67 in Gaithersburg, MD
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:39:58 -0000
From: "Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>" <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Drive Shaft Boots
Roger,
IMHO there are a few parts that I would not want to try saving money
on. The drive-shaft boots are near the top of that list.
Should one of those boots let go, or fail in a big way, there is not
a bilge pump large enough to save your Amphi. (And this assumes
that like any smart owner that you actually have two bilge pumps!).
If you do not know how well they will hold up I suggest that you not
use them. The original style boots are exceptionally durable.
Mike I.
> ... Here's my contribution:
>
> I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen Eurovan for
> the drive-shaft boots on my car.
> The rubber in these boots is not reinforced, so I don't
> know how well they will holdup, but they look good ...
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:44:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Bearing retraction
IMHO there are a few parts that I would not want to
try saving money on. The drive-shaft boots are near
the top of that list.
Should one of those boots let go, or fail in a big
way, there is not a bilge pump large enough to save
your Amphi. (And this assumes that like any smart
owner that you actually have two bilge pumps!).
If you do not know how well they will hold up I
suggest that you not use them. The original style
boots are exceptionally durable.
Mike I.
--- rogtwo wrote:
> ... Here's my contribution:
>
> I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen
> Eurovan for the drive-shaft boots on my car.
> The rubber in these boots is not reinforced,
> so I don't know how well they will holdup, but
> they look good ...
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:48:19 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grease Fittings
I bought a varity pack of metric zerk grease fittings from Autozone.
Scott Moses..
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:35:17 -0600
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
Subject: generator or alternator
I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
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To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
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65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
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From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:06:03 -0600
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
Subject: water pump
Dan Gibson, thanks for making me think of a water pump as another spare to
carry. Would you please give me the part number. When "Dave the Wave" asked
me a few years ago to lend him my rotor for a moment to trouble-shoot and
solve his ignition problem, I realized that the lack of a $2 part could ruin
a trip. Since then I am carrying every likely needed spare part that I can
think of short of an extra push rod!
I'd like to pass up Hugh. It should not be difficult as he told me that he
did not have a starter for sale when someone needed one in Celina last year.
I will bring mine, of course. And I will have brake cylinder seals, too. I'm
sure that a few will understand.
Rob Vondracek
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[mailto:amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:05 AM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Digest Number 874
THE AMPHICAR-LOVERS LIST
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
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65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
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From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:03:49 -0600
From: "Rusty" <russcihlar@charter.net>
Subject: Bildge Pump
Can anyone tell me What is a good replacement for the original Bildge
Pump,,and where can I find it,,Thanks Russ
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:04:13 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: generator or alternator
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From: Robert
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] generator or alternator
I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
Rob:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, so let me address some things
one at a time.
First, a generator / voltage regulator is inherently less reliable than an
alternator. In an alternator, you have a slotted commutator rotating under
two carbon brushes. As each brush goes past each insulating slot between the
conductive commutator pads, there is a momentary electrical arc. This arc
creates electrical noise, and also works to erode the commutator pads,
insulation and carbon brushes. In an alternator, there are continuous
slip-rings with carbon brushes. There's much less arcing, and wear is
greatly reduced.
In the voltage regulator, there are at least two electromagnets. The one
which regulates generator output has an armature (the spring-loaded moveable
pole piece) which is constantly "dancing" on its electrical contacts. The
duty cycle of this "dance" controls the generator field current, which in
turn controls the generator output. This contact "dance" is actually a
mechanical pulse-width modulation scheme. Needless to say, the continuous
switching causes RF noise, and slowly erodes the contacts. An alternator
simply does not have an external mechanical voltage regulator, again, making
the alternator system inherently more reliable.
OTOH, automotive generator / voltage regulator technology had quite a while
to mature, so its reliability got to a fairly decent level. It's just that
alternators are better. There's no checking the alternator brushes and
cleaning the voltage regulator contacts. Wiring is simpler, less copper is
used, there's no need to provide "real-estate" room in the engine
compartment for the voltage regulator (because it's not there), and, an
alternator is smaller and lighter than a comparable-rated generator.
The big appeal of an alternator is that, at low RPM, it will put out more
current that a generator. Just as an exercise, let's look at the power
budget in an operating Amphi. (I'm making some estimates here, but I think
the numbers are good.) Let's say you are cruising along at a modest 1800
RPM. The engine electricals need about 4 amps, the battery is taking 2 amps
of charge, and the radio is taking another amp. Total system load is 7 amps,
and the generator can supply this, so everything is fine. But then the bilge
pump goes on, drawing 8 amps. Now the total system load is 15 amps, and the
generator can only supply about 9 amps, so there's now a net drain on the
battery of 6 amps. And, if you were to slow down to idle, the generator
could only supply maybe 4 amps, so then there would be a net drain of 11
amps on the battery. Now, a battery in good condition could supply 11 amps
for several hours.
Look at the ratings; the Amphi generator is rated at a maximum of 21 amps
(at maybe 3500 engine RPM). A plain vanilla Chevy alternator would be rated
at 55 amps. The alternator gives you much more safety margin, and the margin
gets bigger at the low RPM range.
Now, about your trip plans. <g> Now, I can understand the idea of having
your own spare on a road trip if you have an unusual car that doesn't show
up in any mechanic's parts book. I can't imagine bringing a spare generator
& voltage regulator along on a trip. But, if you have to worry about your
generator that much, you should replace it before going anywhere. And, if
you replaced it with an alternator, especially a very common one like
something from a mid-eighties GM, then you could find a replacement anywhere
you go. (Don't carry heavy spare parts, your credit card will work just
fine.)
Finally, the effort. Well, the conversion isn't all that hard, and you do it
only once. If it was mid-summer, and I didn't mind the headlights dimming
whenever I stepped on the brake, then I wouldn't bother. But, if you are
already tearing into other Amphi jobs in mid-winter, I think the alternator
conversion is a prudent improvement.
Regards,
Ed
El Cajon, CA
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:10:33 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Bildge Pump
----- Original Message -----
From: Rusty
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:03 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Bildge Pump
Can anyone tell me What is a good replacement for the original Bildge
Pump,,and where can I find it,,Thanks Russ
The Flojet 4125 is suggested. Search the Yahoo Messages area for "bilge
pump"; there's a ton of info there.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:30:03 GMT
From: rdboggie@juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: Grease Fittings
Thanks. I'll try there. My local NAPA store had mighty slim pickin's on
grease fittings.
Randy
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have never had a generator problem. Now that I carry a spare voltage
regulator and generator, I'll bet that I will never have a problem! "When
you have it, you won't need it". That belief has always worked for me. So I
will be one that doesn't believe in the alternator conversion.
I believe that one should spend the time reinforcing the steering bow
instead of worrying about the lack of electrical power at low rpms. Anyone
that thinks that they don't need to do something about that defect is not
looking close enough. I have frequently heard the comment that "My steering
box doesn't move, so I don't need to reinforce mine". Wait until you hit the
right pot hole!
Rob Vondracek
'64 red
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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. bearings and mistakes
From: Dave Derer <dmd@essex1.com>
2. Re: Digest Number 874
From: chasgould@aol.com
3. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Greg <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
4. Re: Bearing retraction
From: rogtwo@aol.com
5. Grease Fittings needed
From: Randy Bograd <rdboggie@juno.com>
6. Re: Drive Shaft Boots
From: "Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>"
<amphicar770@yahoo.com>
7. Re: Re: Bearing retraction
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
8. Re: Grease Fittings
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
9. generator or alternator
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
10. water pump
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
11. Bildge Pump
From: "Rusty" <russcihlar@charter.net>
12. Re: generator or alternator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
13. Re: Bildge Pump
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
14. Re:Re: Grease Fittings
From: rdboggie@juno.com
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:47:52 -0600
From: Dave Derer <dmd@essex1.com>
Subject: bearings and mistakes
Scott and fellow Amphibians, I do not know why I react the way I do
sometimes. When I read your posting I saw it as a way to put up a part
number, more really to piss Hugh off than to be help full. I made an
assumption based on my past experience with locating same part. I in
blunt terms did not believe you went through the work to figure it out.
For this I apologize. Instead of thinking, I reacted. As I age I do this
less and less. But as seen I am still able to put on a full size set of
Donkey Ears. I hope I can be forgiven. I also hope that this did not
slow some one else down from working on other bearing and parts
replacements. Very Sincerely Dave the Wave
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:54:02 EST
From: chasgould@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 874
In a message dated 1/7/2003 8:06:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com writes:
> Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
> alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
> also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep
> up with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of
> the voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
> trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform
better
> at all RPM, and will be way more reliable
I definately agree that the alternator conversion is desireable for a number
of reasons, especially if your car has experienced electrical problems.
However, I have to tell you that my Amphi generator has NEVER let me down,
except when the bakelite pulley exloded (Twice!). And that includes my Amphi
starting right up after sitting for five months without a battery charge! I
did spring for a brand new regulator, and maybe that is the culprit that
causes all of the generator problems?
Just my 2 cents worth.
Chas
Ivory 1962
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:31:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
--- Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com> wrote:
> a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99
> for the starter
> (part # 16121.....
I can vouch for the starter- #16121 is correct and is
an exact match. I've had it on mine for over a year.
Greg Z.(Michigan)
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:05:33 EST
From: rogtwo@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bearing retraction
Scott,
Please don't stop suggesting alternate parts. While I thankfully don't need
transmission parts at this time, being a brand-new Amphicar owner, I'm very
interested in alternate parts. Here's my contribution:
I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen Eurovan for the drive-shaft
boots on my car. The rubber in these boots is not reinforced, so I don't
know how well they will holdup, but they look good and fit fairly well. The
VW part number is 7D0-419-831 and I paid about $12 each for them at the VW
dealer.
A couple of notes about how I installed them. First, I cut out the small
end
of the boot (this is fairly obvious when you look at one). Second, I put a
somewhat flexible plastic sleeve over the spring. I did this to keep the
corrugations of the boot from getting in-between the coils of the spring. I
feared the boot might get pinched by the spring. Also, if the boot were to
shift significantly off center (which it might if it worked between the
coils) it would cause the shaft to be off balance. Finally, I just used two
plastic wire ties at each end of the boot to seal it to the axle. I'm not
sure if this is the best idea.
So anyway Scott, please don't be too disappointed by the replies to your
suggestion. I think others had legitimate concerns about the fitness of the
bearing you found for the application you suggested. Please just take these
comments as other peoples best advice (from their point of view). And keep
submitting suggestions. They are appreciated.
Roger
PS - I plan to enter my above boot suggestion to Amphicar.net's Parts Tips
page as soon as I have time.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:28:57 -0500
From: Randy Bograd <rdboggie@juno.com>
Subject: Grease Fittings needed
I need two king pin grease fittings for my '67. Turns out the front wheel
assemblies, when off the car, flop around enough to break these little
guys off. Gordons has none in stock. Please contact me offline to work
out the details.
Also, I have an alignment problem with the transmission and axle tunnel.
The transmission is about 1/2 inch higher than it should be (or maybe the
tunnel is 1/2 inch lower than it should be. The result is the inner
u-joints scrape against the upper portion of the tunnel. My current
option is to put some shims under the tunnels to raise them up a bit.
Anyone else experience this?
thanks,
Randy
Blue '67 in Gaithersburg, MD
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 02:39:58 -0000
From: "Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>" <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Drive Shaft Boots
Roger,
IMHO there are a few parts that I would not want to try saving money
on. The drive-shaft boots are near the top of that list.
Should one of those boots let go, or fail in a big way, there is not
a bilge pump large enough to save your Amphi. (And this assumes
that like any smart owner that you actually have two bilge pumps!).
If you do not know how well they will hold up I suggest that you not
use them. The original style boots are exceptionally durable.
Mike I.
> ... Here's my contribution:
>
> I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen Eurovan for
> the drive-shaft boots on my car.
> The rubber in these boots is not reinforced, so I don't
> know how well they will holdup, but they look good ...
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:44:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Bearing retraction
IMHO there are a few parts that I would not want to
try saving money on. The drive-shaft boots are near
the top of that list.
Should one of those boots let go, or fail in a big
way, there is not a bilge pump large enough to save
your Amphi. (And this assumes that like any smart
owner that you actually have two bilge pumps!).
If you do not know how well they will hold up I
suggest that you not use them. The original style
boots are exceptionally durable.
Mike I.
--- rogtwo wrote:
> ... Here's my contribution:
>
> I'm using the steering rack boot of a Volkswagen
> Eurovan for the drive-shaft boots on my car.
> The rubber in these boots is not reinforced,
> so I don't know how well they will holdup, but
> they look good ...
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:48:19 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grease Fittings
I bought a varity pack of metric zerk grease fittings from Autozone.
Scott Moses..
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:35:17 -0600
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
Subject: generator or alternator
I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
List/Digest Admin
65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
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From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:06:03 -0600
From: "Robert" <rjv@drakebuilders.com>
Subject: water pump
Dan Gibson, thanks for making me think of a water pump as another spare to
carry. Would you please give me the part number. When "Dave the Wave" asked
me a few years ago to lend him my rotor for a moment to trouble-shoot and
solve his ignition problem, I realized that the lack of a $2 part could ruin
a trip. Since then I am carrying every likely needed spare part that I can
think of short of an extra push rod!
I'd like to pass up Hugh. It should not be difficult as he told me that he
did not have a starter for sale when someone needed one in Celina last year.
I will bring mine, of course. And I will have brake cylinder seals, too. I'm
sure that a few will understand.
Rob Vondracek
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Amphipoda's 2 cents
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
2. Re: more photos
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
3. I'm making pressure plate springs
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
4. Autozone Starter And Generator
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
5. Parts is Parts (Well not always)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
6. Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
7. Tire Size Calculator
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:13:35 -0000
From: "amphipoda <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>" <Amphipoda@yahoo.com>
Subject: Amphipoda's 2 cents
Took Mermaid for a 4-hour cruise last Sunday.
Sunny, mid 80's afternoon, perfectly calm lake,
made a couple beach landings to the cheers of
adoring crowds, had lunch on a sandy beach too.
Amphi performed flawlessly the entire day.
Gave a few tourists Amphi rides, kids and old
folks as always ? huge fans of Amphi. Amphi
& I are once again at peace with the world, but
I do feel some hint of a sun burn in my ever
expanding bald spot. Where's my hat?
My esteemed kudos on the latest IAOC
newsletter. Another stellar issues.
2003? the year of Amphi indeed.
I have reserved 8 rooms at the Comfort Inn,
Celina, for the California Amphi invasion.
California folk please contact me off list for
more info on dates, rates, times, locations,
and the awesome Amphi hauling group
discount rate. I will also post something
more detailed/formal in the March/April
newsletter.
And for Scott M... you da man! Don't
ever stop posting your alternative parts
successes and failures. We all benefit
from your and everyone's efforts, no matter
how insignificant or trivial. And some of
Scott's suggestions are already incorporated
on dozens of Amphis... including mine.
Same goes with Al, Gord, Ed, Marc, John,
Mike, Dave, Billy, Ginger, Mary Ann, the
Professor and a dozen others including Hugh.
Hey, we are all in this, umm... "boat" together,
so please don't get scurvy or get discouraged.
See ya in Celina ? the place to be in 2003!!!
Amphipoda
'64 Turquoise
San Diego, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:49:58 -0500
From: "gord souter" <houseboats@encode.com>
Subject: Re: more photos
Have added a couple more Photos in the Files section
one under technical shows the way I do steering braces.
Other will be in four amphes of the new Gas pedal floor boards I have just
reproduced out of fiberglass that are now avalable..they come in gray but I
painted this one black,cause I had the gun going.
Took my green car to Toronto boat show tpoday, so all
Canadians .in the area next week make sure you see the Antque Boat Clubs
dispay there..
GORD SOUTER
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:06 -0600
From: "scott" <smosesks@hotmail.com>
Subject: I'm making pressure plate springs
I'm going to have the 1-12-10 pressure plate springs that hold the release
bearing ring on the levers made.
I need six.
Of course the more they make, the cheaper they are.
At this time I will probably have 100 made just to get the price brake. I
should have a quote in a couple of days. These guys do all kinds of springs
for all kinds of stuff.
If anyone would like some let me know.
Scott Moses..
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:51:43 -0600
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson <dkgibson3@attbi.com>
Subject: Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:30:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Israel <amphicar770@yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts is Parts (Well not always)
Hmm, the topic of parts sourcing seems to pop up about
once per year. I suspect it happens when we get
enough new Amphi owners who begin the quest for
alternate sources and prices. Actually, it was one of
the motivating factors for creating this list way back
when.
I can actually see both sides of the argument. On the
one hand I am a big fan of Gordon Imports and am often
willing to pay a bit of a premium. In part it is
convenience. It is also a recognition that Hugh does
make a significant reinvestment in reproducing new NLA
components. Hugh will also spend many hours answering
tech questions and offering history lessons!Without
Hugh's substantial investment most of our Amphicars
would be sitting high and dry. It thus makes good
sense to support those who support us.
At the same time, some folks seem to regard it as
herecy when anyone suggests an alternate parts source
for any given widget. To me this makes no sense
either. I have purchased many NOS and repro parts
from folks like Gord Souter at considerable savings
(his interior kits are first rate). Likewise, when
people have identified less expensive or better parts
for Amphi, Hugh often links up with those sources and
provides them with the usual level of service and
convenience. (I myself pointed Hugh to the source for
wide whitewall radials a few years back). Thus, I
would encourage everyone to continue posting alternate
parts and sources. Likewise, turn off the
flamethrowers when someone suggests an alternative.
I will note that I do think that any alternate parts
(non-original or not exact reproductions) should be
clearly identified as such. For example, the Roadster
Factory identifies all "substitute parts" with an "S"
designator after the part number. Nothing is more
frustrating than ordering something you expect to be
an "original component" only to find it is an odd
fitting JC Whitney item requiring modification.
Cheers,
Mike Israel
List/Digest Admin
65 Amphi (White)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone Starter And Generator
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel & Kathy Gibson
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Autozone Starter And Generator
Howdy All,
Neophyte to this list that I am, please let me know if this is not
pertinent and/or news. I went to Autozone and ordered up a starter motor
and generator for my '64 yesterday. They came in today, and appear to be
a perfect match (no pulley on the generator). $39.99 for the starter
(part # 16121), and $40.99 for the generator (part number 15017). $10
core each. I will be returning mine for cores, but not right away. Their
computer does not go back far enough, so I had them look up a '68 spit.
I have a water pump on order...I will keep you all posted.
Later!
Dan
Good info! My only comment is that I think you should convert to an
alternator. True, that would force you to do the fuel gauge mod (and might
also affect the radio). But, the original generator is inadequate to keep up
with the load at slow engine speed. Plus, that will let you get rid of the
voltage regulator box (which is a source of RF noise and was always a
trouble spot in generator equipped cars). An alternator will perform better
at all RPM, and will be way more reliable.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:15:09 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Tire Size Calculator
If you are thinking about what effect a different tire size will have on
your Amphi. here's a link to a Tire Calculator:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
The original Amphi tires were 6.40 x 13. Looking at the Tire Size Chart at:
http://www.turbinecar.com/tires.htm
this crosses to a metric 80 Series tire of 165/80-13.
Starting with the 165/80-13, you can then play with other sizes. For
instance, you can get the "ricer" look (larger diameter wheel and small tire
distance from rim to tread) by going to a much larger wheel, like a 15". If
you choose a 185/60-15 tire, then you will still stay close to the external
form factor (OD and width), so you won't have a problem with speedo error or
the tire hitting the body.
This opens up the possibility of using mag or wire wheels, or solid steel
wheel wheels. You might have a particular tire in mind, but it doesn't come
in a 6.40-13. You could work backward from an available tire to a wheel that
would carry it and still fit the Amphi size requirements.
Why? Well, why not?
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:03:49 -0600
From: "Rusty" <russcihlar@charter.net>
Subject: Bildge Pump
Can anyone tell me What is a good replacement for the original Bildge
Pump,,and where can I find it,,Thanks Russ
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:04:13 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: generator or alternator
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] generator or alternator
I respect the alternator conversion. But my question is, "Is it worth the
effort?" It seems to me that the original system is adequate. But only a
fool would go on a trip where headlights may be needed without bringing a
spare generator and voltage regulator. It seems that the cost of these
spares is far less than the effort and expense needed to convert to an
alternator. Am I wrong?
Rob Vondracek
Rob:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, so let me address some things
one at a time.
First, a generator / voltage regulator is inherently less reliable than an
alternator. In an alternator, you have a slotted commutator rotating under
two carbon brushes. As each brush goes past each insulating slot between the
conductive commutator pads, there is a momentary electrical arc. This arc
creates electrical noise, and also works to erode the commutator pads,
insulation and carbon brushes. In an alternator, there are continuous
slip-rings with carbon brushes. There's much less arcing, and wear is
greatly reduced.
In the voltage regulator, there are at least two electromagnets. The one
which regulates generator output has an armature (the spring-loaded moveable
pole piece) which is constantly "dancing" on its electrical contacts. The
duty cycle of this "dance" controls the generator field current, which in
turn controls the generator output. This contact "dance" is actually a
mechanical pulse-width modulation scheme. Needless to say, the continuous
switching causes RF noise, and slowly erodes the contacts. An alternator
simply does not have an external mechanical voltage regulator, again, making
the alternator system inherently more reliable.
OTOH, automotive generator / voltage regulator technology had quite a while
to mature, so its reliability got to a fairly decent level. It's just that
alternators are better. There's no checking the alternator brushes and
cleaning the voltage regulator contacts. Wiring is simpler, less copper is
used, there's no need to provide "real-estate" room in the engine
compartment for the voltage regulator (because it's not there), and, an
alternator is smaller and lighter than a comparable-rated generator.
The big appeal of an alternator is that, at low RPM, it will put out more
current that a generator. Just as an exercise, let's look at the power
budget in an operating Amphi. (I'm making some estimates here, but I think
the numbers are good.) Let's say you are cruising along at a modest 1800
RPM. The engine electricals need about 4 amps, the battery is taking 2 amps
of charge, and the radio is taking another amp. Total system load is 7 amps,
and the generator can supply this, so everything is fine. But then the bilge
pump goes on, drawing 8 amps. Now the total system load is 15 amps, and the
generator can only supply about 9 amps, so there's now a net drain on the
battery of 6 amps. And, if you were to slow down to idle, the generator
could only supply maybe 4 amps, so then there would be a net drain of 11
amps on the battery. Now, a battery in good condition could supply 11 amps
for several hours.
Look at the ratings; the Amphi generator is rated at a maximum of 21 amps
(at maybe 3500 engine RPM). A plain vanilla Chevy alternator would be rated
at 55 amps. The alternator gives you much more safety margin, and the margin
gets bigger at the low RPM range.
Now, about your trip plans. <g> Now, I can understand the idea of having
your own spare on a road trip if you have an unusual car that doesn't show
up in any mechanic's parts book. I can't imagine bringing a spare generator
& voltage regulator along on a trip. But, if you have to worry about your
generator that much, you should replace it before going anywhere. And, if
you replaced it with an alternator, especially a very common one like
something from a mid-eighties GM, then you could find a replacement anywhere
you go. (Don't carry heavy spare parts, your credit card will work just
fine.)
Finally, the effort. Well, the conversion isn't all that hard, and you do it
only once. If it was mid-summer, and I didn't mind the headlights dimming
whenever I stepped on the brake, then I wouldn't bother. But, if you are
already tearing into other Amphi jobs in mid-winter, I think the alternator
conversion is a prudent improvement.
Regards,
Ed
El Cajon, CA
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:10:33 -0800
From: "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Bildge Pump
----- Original Message -----
From: Rusty
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:03 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Bildge Pump
Can anyone tell me What is a good replacement for the original Bildge
Pump,,and where can I find it,,Thanks Russ
The Flojet 4125 is suggested. Search the Yahoo Messages area for "bilge
pump"; there's a ton of info there.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:30:03 GMT
From: rdboggie@juno.com
Subject: Re:Re: Grease Fittings
Thanks. I'll try there. My local NAPA store had mighty slim pickin's on
grease fittings.
Randy
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