Fuel tap assembly

Tedredamphi

Platinum Subscriber
:032: What are people using as a replacement for the fuel tap/shutoff assembly on bottom of the fuel tank. Looks like Gordon Imports want $175 plus a core.
Ted Matthews
 

Bilgemaster

Member
I never had much joy from that leaks-from-new-if you-ever-use-it
original-style fuel tap. Even after I'd replaced the little
circlip-and-faceplate-secured fiber washer thingee that controls
on-off-reserve flow, it still had a weepy and persistent sort of leak
that made me squint my eyes a bit every time I started the engine,
half-expecting to soon see the Halls of Valhalla. So, I just sealed up
the unit in its "on" postintion with some JBWeld epoxy daubed over the
faceplate as a temporary fix that held just fine for over a decade.

Eventually Billy Syx of East Coast Amphicar (website:
http://www.amphicar.net/eca) rigged me up a sort of straight-out-of-the
tank setup made from copper tubing and a suitable securing nut, adding
an inline fuel filter just before that magnetically-operated fuel
shutoff doodad.

Since then, Billy's setup has been working fine, except to say that the
first couple of weeks a LOT of the tank crud, rust and so forth would
head straight into the fuel line, causing some fuel starvation issues
cured by numerous blow-throughs and filter swaps on the road to Celina
that year. You see, the original taps also have two little snorkel pipe
things, a higher one for "on" with a lower one for "reserve," both of
which draw fuel from above the Cruds Layer (Hey! My new porn name!) at
the very bottom of the tank, which is where my fuels is drwan from now.
Time, and a subsequent tip from David Chapman at Celina made for a
trouble-free ride homewards: that is, "Why don't you slap a great filthy
magnet on the bottom of the tank to attract and hold the rust particles
away from the fuel tap, you simple-minded fake-cheese-eating colonial."

And that's my story.

Hyphen-happy,
Bilgey


On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:15 am, Tedredamphi wrote:

> What are people using as a replacement for the fuel tap/shutoff
> assembly on bottom of the fuel tank. Looks like Gordon Imports want
> $175 plus a core.
> Ted Matthews
>
>
 

Tedredamphi

Platinum Subscriber
This VW tap sold by Bughaus would probably work fine if you wanted to do away with the on/of/res type tap. $10 for 62-74 Beetle. They even sell a filter screen that fits up into tank for another $7.
Ted

G
 

Bilgemaster

Member
Ted's suggestion below resembles the setup on my own Amphi that I
described in an earlier posting, but unlike mine it also seems to
have a sort of snorkle above that flange that partly rises above the
very bottom of the tank's interior, so this would be a very desirable
improvement to help minimize "crud ingress." Assuming that locknut
is the same size, I think I might be getting one of these at http://
www.bughaus.com/beetle11.htm

Thanks Ted!

Regards,
Bilgey


On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Tedredamphi wrote:


> This VW tap sold by Bughaus would probably work fine if you wanted
> to do away with the on/of/res type tap. $10 for 62-74 Beetle.
> Ted
>
>
>
>
 
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SplitPersonality

Guest
Ever since I had a fuel problem in Celina about 8 years ago, I have had a
fuel hose clamped directly to the fuel outlet at the bottom of the tank which
then leads to a fuel filter and then to the electric on off "thingee."
Somehow, I feel deprived, as my on off deal has never leaked. I then go a an
electric fuel pump of 2-1/2 - 4 lbs pressure right below the tank and the
mechanical pump aft is out of the loop. My system has been wonderful. The only
problem I have had was recently when the car wouldn't start. I traced it back
item by item and finally tapped the carb to see if the inlet valve was stuck
and bingo - after checking everything else, that was the problem !

In a message dated 1/12/2009 4:30:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

I never had much joy from that leaks-from-new-if you-ever-use-it
original-style fuel tap. Even after I'd replaced the little
circlip-and-faceplate-secured fiber washer thingee that controls
on-off-reserve flow, it still had a weepy and persistent sort of leak
that made me squint my eyes a bit every time I started the engine,
half-expecting to soon see the Halls of Valhalla. So, I just sealed up
the unit in its "on" postintion with some JBWeld epoxy daubed over the
faceplate as a temporary fix that held just fine for over a decade.

Eventually Billy Syx of East Coast Amphicar (website:
_http://www.amphicar.net/eca)_ (http://www.amphicar.net/eca)) rigged me up a
sort of straight-out-of-the
tank setup made from copper tubing and a suitable securing nut, adding
an inline fuel filter just before that magnetically-operated fuel
shutoff doodad.

Since then, Billy's setup has been working fine, except to say that the
first couple of weeks a LOT of the tank crud, rust and so forth would
head straight into the fuel line, causing some fuel starvation issues
cured by numerous blow-throughs and filter swaps on the road to Celina
that year. You see, the original taps also have two little snorkel pipe
things, a higher one for "on" with a lower one for "reserve," both of
which draw fuel from above the Cruds Layer (Hey! My new porn name!) at
the very bottom of the tank, which is where my fuels is drwan from now.
Time, and a subsequent tip from David Chapman at Celina made for a
trouble-free ride homewards: that is, "Why don't you slap a great filthy
magnet on the bottom of the tank to attract and hold the rust particles
away from the fuel tap, you simple-minded fake-cheese-eating colonial."

And that's my story.

Hyphen-happy,
Bilgey


On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:15 am, Tedredamphi wrote:


Quote:

> What are people using as a replacement for the fuel tap/shutoff
> assembly on bottom of the fuel tank. Looks like Gordon Imports want
> $175 plus a core.
> Ted Matthews
>
>





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SplitPersonality

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SplitPersonality

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The VW tap is fine, b ut I have a hose clamped right over the existing
Amphicar threaded male piece at the bottom of the tank.
Works fine.


In a message dated 1/12/2009 7:04:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

This VW tap sold by Bughaus would probably work fine if you wanted to do
away with the on/of/res type tap. $10 for 62-74 Beetle.
Ted







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Tedredamphi

Platinum Subscriber
I checked out the Porsche 356 fuel tap assembly(sells new for $95) that looks like and works like the late model Amphicar (on/off/reserve). I actually had one in my hand to compare them. Unfortunately the threaded coupling that screws on to bottom of fuel tank is much larger than that of the Amphicar. I would imagine that the simple pipe only set-up for VW uses the same large coupling on bottom of fuel tank. An adapter coupling might be tough to come up with.
Ted
 

okey0

Member
This VW tap sold by Bughaus would probably work fine if you wanted to do away with the on/of/res type tap. $10 for 62-74 Beetle. They even sell a filter screen that fits up into tank for another $7.
Ted

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I purchased this set but the threads on the nut are not the same size as what is on my tank. does anyone know the thread size on the tank so i can start a search for an appropriately sized nut?
 

azpaul50

Member
Awww mannnn. Does anyone believe that if you talk about something it happens and if you don't it doesn't? I've been mucking around that fuel tap after discovering that the control lever wasn't connected. I put a clip through the hole but did not actually turn the lever. It should work but I intend to leave it on anyway. In fact I never touched the thing during the 3 years I've had this Amphi. So, I go out and start working on other things in the compartment this morning (see Heater post) and sure enough it is seeping! Thanks a lot for disturbing fuel tap karma!! I also notice that I don't have one of those magneto thingies but the carb works just fine! - AZP
 

jfriese

Active Member
Paul,

Various folks, including me, have the replacement seal disks that repairs the leaking fuel shut off valve. They are an old Porsche part.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red
 

rhysaccess

New Member
I too had problems of seeping from the fuel tap on my '67 . As is the way, things were fine until I had pulled the unit off to replace the fuel filter seal and replace the tap-to-tank washer.

I ordered the repair kit from Stoddard Porsche - which is really just the cork gasket and wire circlip. Only cost about $5 from memory.

Putting it back together was a struggle and resulted in me only sweating & swearing - a lot. I compared circlips and found the original unit was a slightly thinner diameter. Used the original one and it all went back together fine.

The repair was actually quite satisfying. Cheap fix, works like a dream....and just that little bit more of the cars original bits are maintained.

Regards to all

Rhys
 

SNOWBIRD

Amphicar Expert
Att. is a pic. of what I have done to replace the fuel shut off.
I was making this kit but do not anymore as I need the threaded collar off the old fuel tap.
The glass bowl shut off has a 1/4 pipe tread so a brass 1/4 female needs to be bronzed to the original end that fits on the tank.
The fuel outlet is just 5/16 type fuel line with a curve to get fuel out where you can put a hose on it.
The glass fuel shut off is avalable at Tractor Supply type stores.
You can also see the electric fuel shut off in this pic, a good thing to have so fuel is off when towing etc..100_2897.JPG
 

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okey0

Member
OK, no go on finding something that will fit the amphi tank, does anyone have part numbers for the Porsche gaskets/seals that i need to repair the fuel tap?
 

Ken Chambers

Platinum Subscriber
OK, no go on finding something that will fit the amphi tank, does anyone have part numbers for the Porsche gaskets/seals that i need to repair the fuel tap?

The early fuel taps are just on/off with a single stand pipe protruding into the tank. I have the 2.5mm thick cork-neoprene selector gasket as well as the fiber-neoprene ring gasket that fits under the tensioning spring ring. Neither of these gaskets are in the parts breakdown of the fuel tap.

Gordon sells the fuel bowl gasket 8-27-02a as well as the fuel tap to tank gasket 8-27-02b. The fuel bowl gasket is usually good to reuse. It fits into a recessed groove in the fuel tap body and can be difficult to remove.

Someone asked about the tank outlet thread size. It's a M16-1.00 on the tank and the same but LH thread on the fuel tap. The dual RH/LH threaded nut pulls the fuel tap tight to the tank.

It's a good idea to install an inline fuel filter just after the fuel tap to catch any tank debris before it makes its way further downstream.

Ken Chambers, CA
'64 Red
 
Just called Gordon Imports, the fuel valve they have listed in their catalog for $175 isn't even available anymore so I guess we are on our own! I will be using an original that hasn't had fuel through it in 3 decades or so. I haven't taken it apart but am wondering if their is a seal somewhere that will fit. Like we fix the heater valve with an "O" ring from NAPA?
 

jfriese

Active Member
Hello,

I have the cork type seal disk that fit all the Amphicars that I have seen. I got them from a classic Porsche restoration place and I'll sell you one for $20 including postage, payable through Paypal or check.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red

805-570-4778
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SNOWBIRD

Amphicar Expert
I have upgrade my fuel shut off.
You do not need the jioner anymore!
a 1/4 pipe tap will tap into the existing hole in gas tank then this shut off will thread right in!
 
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