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martyandcaryl@charter.net

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Richard
I have used cover plates on a few cars when changing over to electric
fuel pumps to avoid anything entering the engine at that point.
Marty

--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., "richard martin" <martin@d...> wrote:
> if I replace fuel pump with a elect. fuel pump should I leave the
input open on the mechanical unit or plug the inlets?
 
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<font face="Arial" size="4">if I replace fuel pump with a elect. fuel pump should I leave the input open on the mechanical unit or plug the inlets?</font>
 
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Craig Taylor

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Richard, I'd plug both the inlet ond outlet lines on the old mechanical
pump. That way if your electric ever quit you could swap back to the
mechanical for an easy road side repair. With no worrys about what got
into the pump in the mean time.

Craig, Flat Lake Alaska

----- Original Message -----
From: "richard martin" <martin@discover-net.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2001 5:54 am
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] fuel pump

> if I replace fuel pump with a elect. fuel pump should I leave the
> input open on the mechanical unit or plug the inlets?
>
 
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"Cap''n" John

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--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., "richard martin" <martin@d...> wrote:
> if I replace fuel pump with a elect. fuel pump should I leave the
input open on the mechanical unit or plug the inlets?

*Some* fuel pumps can be left connected without a problem. They won't
pump because of the fuel pressure comming from the electric pump.

Another way is to connect a valve to be able to switch between the
two easilly. If you go this route, be sure to install a switch to cut
the power to the electric pump if need be.

JB
 
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Arnold Hite

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A few months ago I ordered a new fuel pump from Hugh for my second
car. I stuck it on the shelf and forgot about it until yesterday.
Then, I noticed the pump came with two identical gaskets. I'm assuming
only one gasket is needed and that the extra gasket was a shipping
mistake. Still, I wonder. Do I need two gaskets?

Arnold Hite
Johns Island, SC

p.s. Thanks to everyone for a great time in Celina. Many of us live
hundreds of miles away from another Amphicar owner. The swimins offer
us a chance to meet other owners and check out what they have done with
their cars. It's great to be able to put faces with the names that are
so familiar on the amphicar-lovers list-serve. I love the tech
sessions. But, based on my experience, the advise given at the tech
sessions gives only a hit of what's in store when you begin a repair.
They leave out all of the really difficult stuff like how to fish
dropped screws out of the bilge or how to to get your hand into a really
tight spot. Thanks for a really great time. See you next year.



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So what does a fuel pump sound like when it decides to self destruct? Out today for a two hour cruise when al of a sudden noise sounding like crushing beer cans came from the engine compartment. About 15 seconds later dead in the water. Cranks fine won't fire.
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<font FACE="arial,helvetica"><font SIZE="2" PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/26/2007 8:45:05 PM Central Daylight Time, wick68355@aol.com writes:



<blockquote TYPE="CITE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Cranks fine won't fire.</blockquote></font><font COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE="3" PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">

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That would be in the distributor and probably would make a hell of a noise if it decided to self destruct



If a fuel pump goes, usually its the diaphram and it quits running----- you may get some fuel in the oil if it goes slowly



Take the cap off the distributor and see if the rotor turns, if it does thats good, if not--- you got a problem



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--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, lah20car@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 8/26/2007 8:45:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
> wick68355@... writes:
>
> > Cranks fine won't fire.
>
> That would be in the distributor and probably would make a hell of a
noise if
> it decided to self destruct
>

If the "beer can crushing sound" was caused by mis-fires, it could be
the coil suddenly died. If distributor turns but no fire, check the
main hi tension coil wire for juice. I spent a couple hours on the
beach one day checking points, cap, ignition wires when my coil
suddenly died, and just before it died, I would have described it more
like b-b's from the engine compartment (exhaust) and then total
silence except for the gently sloshing waves and some explicatives
from the front seat. Could the "beer can crushing" be like electrical
arching? Just remember the basics... fuel, air, spark and you get
explosions... hopefully controlled within the cylinder <g>

Al
 
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Mike Israel

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Re: Re: fuel pump

<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I once had a fuel pump give out on a spitfire. It was an aftermarket pump where the lever was stamped metal rather than the forged steel of the original. The leversnapped off and fell to the bottom of the oil pan. Engine stopped as if out of gas (which it now was). I suppose that if the metal lever had gotten caught up in the crankshaft that any sort of strange sounds would have ensued.
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larry depasquale

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Tom, I don't remember the sound when my coil died in
the water at Celina, But when it cooled off it started
and ran until it got hot, then died again. Like Billy
said, get a test light and check for current. If the
plugs spark then it is probably a fuel issue.

Larry D
White 66 in Ohio

--- wick68355@aol.com wrote:

> So what does a fuel pump sound like when it decides
> to self destruct? Out
> today for a two hour cruise when al of a sudden
> noise sounding like crushing
> beer cans came from the engine compartment. About 15
> seconds later dead in the
> water. Cranks fine won't fire.
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin
>
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Last month I was one the list asking about the fuel pump and what kind of noise it makes when it decides to self destruct. I was finally able to get the car home todiagnose the problem. The pin that holds the lever into the pump has worked its way out to the point the lever fell of the pump. I assume the lever fell into the oil pan. Do you think my only option is to pull the engine and remove the oil pan?
Tim Wick
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Tim, I'd try a flex handled magnet first to see if I could retrieve it first.

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Bill Connelly

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Yep, that's a huge pain in the ass pulling the motor just to remove that
oil pan, but then it might be the surest way to get that pump arm (and
maybe pin?) from the crankcase, AND also assess whatever other damage
there may have been as a result of the pump failure. If you've never
had the engine out before, it would also give you an opportunity to
check on the soundness of the oil pan itself, since an all too common
and potentially catatrophic problem is for the things to rust through.
Being where they are at the lowest point of the bilge, those pans can
just sit in water for long lonnnggg periods...especially in Amphis whose
bilge plugs haven't been pulled after each and every swim consistently
over the past 40 years. Needless to say, sudden loss of oil or at best
a constant seeping contamination of what's in the crankcase by that nice
tasty bilge water drawn through clever little rusted-through pinholes,
is not desirable. Pulling the engine would also give you an opportunity
to check the condition of the teeth on the flywheel that the starter
engages. These may very well be pretty worn or chipped, and so it would
pose an excellent opportunity to either replace the toothy portion, or,
if the teeth are all still reasonably sound but worn, to at least flip
the wheel the other way around so that the worn part faces the other way
(a practical and cost-free fix). You would also be able get some fresh
motor mounts in there, (you'll have to shift Jimmy Hoffa's briefcase),
and maybe also check the state of the various oil seals, timing chain
and so forth, without necessarily going into a whole hog rebuild.

So, pain though it is, this might turn out to have been a blessing in
disguise in the long term. I mean, your Amphi might be telling you
something here. Think: "wintertime bonding".

Then again, if you've already had the engine out, and already given all
or most of the above points due diligence anyhow, then perhaps one (or
one each) of those bendy-flexible magnetic- or claw-ended "tool grabber"
doodads (I really wanted to say "nut grabber", but the memories...the
memories...) will be able to fish out the arm, etc. if it's just lying
right there. Remember the game "Operation?"...Ever played that Prize
Dredger Claw thing on the Boardwalk? Sure....It's good clean fun for
the whole family...Hell, sling little Timmy Junior by his ankles over
the bilge with bungee cords, offer fabulous prizes, and go have a couple
of beers.

Happy Hunting!
Bilgey


On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 6:54 pm, wick68355@aol.com wrote:
> Last month I was one the list asking about the fuel pump and what kind
> of noise it makes when it decides to self destruct. I was finally able
> to get the car home to?diagnose? the problem. The pin that holds the
> lever into the pump has worked its way out to the point the lever fell
> of the pump. I assume the lever fell into the oil pan. Do you think my
> only option is to pull the engine and remove the oil pan?
>
> Tim Wick
>
> Wisconsin
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a_colo_native

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>I assume the
> lever fell into the oil pan. Do you think my only option is to pull
the
> engine and remove the oil pan?
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin

Tim -

Pull the engine! You wouldn't want to find damage when the pin or arm
parts find thier way into places chunks of metal should not go. Wasn't
your motor just rebuilt? Be safe and pull the engine to be 110%
certain your motor is OK and will continue to be so. I do not know how
you would possibly reach the lever or pin otherwise.

I had a car I bought in Georgia and while I had it at Daves swim-in a
few years back on the last day we noticed a lot of oil in the bilge.
The pan had finally gave out releasing the oil into the bilge. Many
pinholes had finally added up to a large hole. Could have been a VERY
bad situation up-river from a damn. WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

John Bevins
 
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I went to the local Chinese tool store(harbor freight) and bought a few magnets. My first plan is to drain the oil and use magnets to try to retrieve the pump arm. The pin was still with the pump so that did not fall in. If I have to pull the motor it wont be a big deal it was out about two years ago when I rebuilt it. It should come out easily this time. Hey Tom, I just don't feel safe leaving the arm in the pan.
Thanks
Tim
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John Friese

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Tim,

Last year I had a pump fail like that but the pin was still in the
lever. The pump was rather new and I called the supplier about the
failure. He told me the manufacturer had gone out of business.
Perhaps it was because of the lousy pump design. My supplier replaced
it with a different brand of pump that had a different (and more
standard) lever/pin design and it has been fine. The problem was that
when the pump lever came loose it shifted to the side and ran at a
weird angle for awhile on the camshaft before it stopped completely
and during that time the lever had gouged the camshaft in the area
where it runs. The result was that I not only pulled the engine apart
but also replacing the camshaft. A bummer to be sure. You can
inspect the camshaft a bit by looking into the hole where the pump
mounts and I hope you have better luck than I did.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, wick68355@... wrote:
>
> Last month I was one the list asking about the fuel pump and what
kind of
> noise it makes when it decides to self destruct. I was finally able
to get the
> car home to diagnose the problem. The pin that holds the lever into
the pump
> has worked its way out to the point the lever fell of the pump. I
assume the
> lever fell into the oil pan. Do you think my only option is to pull
the
> engine and remove the oil pan?
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
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Mark Richardson

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--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, wick68355@... wrote:
>
Do you think my only option is to pull the
> engine and remove the oil pan?
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin


Tim,

I worked for an oil pump company for 10 years. I saw many things locked
up in the gears of oil pumps and the pin is what you have to worry
about. If it does not make it past the screen mesh, you are OK. Arm is
not much of an issue. How big is the diameter of that pin in relation
to the screen mesh of the oil pump?

You may be OK.

Mark also in Wisc.
 
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