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----- Original Message -----
From: bill
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
as this will be my frist amphi i was wondering what would be the
reason to reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
Bill:
Only you can determine what is unacceptable for your ownership. Judging from
many pictures of horrible-condition "Before" Amphicars, I have to say that
nothing is absolutely hopeless. You can enter the Amphi world anywhere along the
continuum, using three these three landmarks.
1. You want a running, swimming Amphi right now! All you want to do is wash &
wax it, and fill the gas tank. You want a professionally restored Amphi, and
there are several talented guys who would love to help you own that dream. All
you need is lots of money. Currently, about $30k ought to be a decent budget.
2. You want an Amphi, and you can do some moderate work yourself. You have a
place in the garage so you can devote a lot of your spare time to Amphi work.
You will accept a running car that may have some serious leaks, but short-term
patching is within your abilities. You can have a decent running Amphi that will
keep you both having fun and fixing things. Budget around $12k.
3. You live to weld. You are not intimidated by an engine stored in 6 cardboard
boxes. You have a mini machine shop in your garage, with duplicates of
everything in Metric sizes too, and your girlfriend works at NAPA. You might
start your multi-year project with a $1000 pathetic, partial chassis shell.
I'll add a few more comments directed to the brave souls attracted to option #3.
Anything can be reverse-engineered, given enough time and resources, but some
Amphi-specific parts will stretch the ability of even a master craftsman. For
instance, if you buy a chassis shell, but it's missing the transmissions, than
you may be in a hopeless situation unless you can buy a transmission somewhere.
Good luck! This will eat up much of the savings you made in buying the shell
chassis! Now, if you're missing an engine, that's a lot easier. Triumph 1147's
are available on eBay and lots of other places. And you can readily rebuild one
too, although it will still take you a few hundred dollars for that task alone.
The suspension is also a difficult area. A good machine shop can duplicate
everything except the swing-arms. (Plain steel, machined to match the original
part sizes isn't good enough, you need forging and heat-treating capabilities.)
Also, some of the transmission internals are unique; few people can cut a gear.
And some parts just don't have old stock or any known replacements; for
instance, the front wheel brake cylinders.
Back a couple of years ago, Hugh gave me an off-hand estimate (without even
seeing the car) of what I would spend on my project. My Amphi was complete, but
had a lot of internal damage and moderate body rust. He said that I would
probably put around $6k into the restoration! Two years along the path, and I
have spent around $2k, and I haven't yet done the engine, transmissions or paint
job. Looks like his estimate was pretty accurate.
The paths to Amphi ownership (except for the most extreme professional
restoration and the most extreme personal project) may all cost the same. I
think it's just a matter of what you spend when. Spend $12k, get instant fun,
and constant minor repair. Spend $5k, get a multi-year, multi-thousand dollar
restoration project. Spend $1k, and we'd like to hear about your adventure!
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: bill
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
as this will be my frist amphi i was wondering what would be the
reason to reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
Bill:
Only you can determine what is unacceptable for your ownership. Judging from
many pictures of horrible-condition "Before" Amphicars, I have to say that
nothing is absolutely hopeless. You can enter the Amphi world anywhere along the
continuum, using three these three landmarks.
1. You want a running, swimming Amphi right now! All you want to do is wash &
wax it, and fill the gas tank. You want a professionally restored Amphi, and
there are several talented guys who would love to help you own that dream. All
you need is lots of money. Currently, about $30k ought to be a decent budget.
2. You want an Amphi, and you can do some moderate work yourself. You have a
place in the garage so you can devote a lot of your spare time to Amphi work.
You will accept a running car that may have some serious leaks, but short-term
patching is within your abilities. You can have a decent running Amphi that will
keep you both having fun and fixing things. Budget around $12k.
3. You live to weld. You are not intimidated by an engine stored in 6 cardboard
boxes. You have a mini machine shop in your garage, with duplicates of
everything in Metric sizes too, and your girlfriend works at NAPA. You might
start your multi-year project with a $1000 pathetic, partial chassis shell.
I'll add a few more comments directed to the brave souls attracted to option #3.
Anything can be reverse-engineered, given enough time and resources, but some
Amphi-specific parts will stretch the ability of even a master craftsman. For
instance, if you buy a chassis shell, but it's missing the transmissions, than
you may be in a hopeless situation unless you can buy a transmission somewhere.
Good luck! This will eat up much of the savings you made in buying the shell
chassis! Now, if you're missing an engine, that's a lot easier. Triumph 1147's
are available on eBay and lots of other places. And you can readily rebuild one
too, although it will still take you a few hundred dollars for that task alone.
The suspension is also a difficult area. A good machine shop can duplicate
everything except the swing-arms. (Plain steel, machined to match the original
part sizes isn't good enough, you need forging and heat-treating capabilities.)
Also, some of the transmission internals are unique; few people can cut a gear.
And some parts just don't have old stock or any known replacements; for
instance, the front wheel brake cylinders.
Back a couple of years ago, Hugh gave me an off-hand estimate (without even
seeing the car) of what I would spend on my project. My Amphi was complete, but
had a lot of internal damage and moderate body rust. He said that I would
probably put around $6k into the restoration! Two years along the path, and I
have spent around $2k, and I haven't yet done the engine, transmissions or paint
job. Looks like his estimate was pretty accurate.
The paths to Amphi ownership (except for the most extreme professional
restoration and the most extreme personal project) may all cost the same. I
think it's just a matter of what you spend when. Spend $12k, get instant fun,
and constant minor repair. Spend $5k, get a multi-year, multi-thousand dollar
restoration project. Spend $1k, and we'd like to hear about your adventure!
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Art Cole
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Hi there. Did you see the Amphi on E-bay recently?
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: WB6WSN [mailto:wb6wsn@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:29 AM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
----- Original Message -----
From: bill
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
as this will be my frist amphi i was wondering what would be the
reason to reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
Bill:
Only you can determine what is unacceptable for your ownership. Judging from
many pictures of horrible-condition "Before" Amphicars, I have to say that
nothing is absolutely hopeless. You can enter the Amphi world anywhere along
the continuum, using three these three landmarks.
1. You want a running, swimming Amphi right now! All you want to do is wash
& wax it, and fill the gas tank. You want a professionally restored Amphi,
and there are several talented guys who would love to help you own that
dream. All you need is lots of money. Currently, about $30k ought to be a
decent budget.
2. You want an Amphi, and you can do some moderate work yourself. You have a
place in the garage so you can devote a lot of your spare time to Amphi
work. You will accept a running car that may have some serious leaks, but
short-term patching is within your abilities. You can have a decent running
Amphi that will keep you both having fun and fixing things. Budget around
$12k.
3. You live to weld. You are not intimidated by an engine stored in 6
cardboard boxes. You have a mini machine shop in your garage, with
duplicates of everything in Metric sizes too, and your girlfriend works at
NAPA. You might start your multi-year project with a $1000 pathetic, partial
chassis shell.
I'll add a few more comments directed to the brave souls attracted to option
#3. Anything can be reverse-engineered, given enough time and resources, but
some Amphi-specific parts will stretch the ability of even a master
craftsman. For instance, if you buy a chassis shell, but it's missing the
transmissions, than you may be in a hopeless situation unless you can buy a
transmission somewhere. Good luck! This will eat up much of the savings you
made in buying the shell chassis! Now, if you're missing an engine, that's a
lot easier. Triumph 1147's are available on eBay and lots of other places.
And you can readily rebuild one too, although it will still take you a few
hundred dollars for that task alone. The suspension is also a difficult
area. A good machine shop can duplicate everything except the swing-arms.
(Plain steel, machined to match the original part sizes isn't good enough,
you need forging and heat-treating capabilities.) Also, some of the
transmission internals ar! e unique; few people can cut a gear. And some
parts just don't have old stock or any known replacements; for instance, the
front wheel brake cylinders.
Back a couple of years ago, Hugh gave me an off-hand estimate (without even
seeing the car) of what I would spend on my project. My Amphi was complete,
but had a lot of internal damage and moderate body rust. He said that I
would probably put around $6k into the restoration! Two years along the
path, and I have spent around $2k, and I haven't yet done the engine,
transmissions or paint job. Looks like his estimate was pretty accurate.
The paths to Amphi ownership (except for the most extreme professional
restoration and the most extreme personal project) may all cost the same. I
think it's just a matter of what you spend when. Spend $12k, get instant
fun, and constant minor repair. Spend $5k, get a multi-year, multi-thousand
dollar restoration project. Spend $1k, and we'd like to hear about your
adventure!
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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-----Original Message-----
From: WB6WSN [mailto:wb6wsn@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:29 AM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
----- Original Message -----
From: bill
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
as this will be my frist amphi i was wondering what would be the
reason to reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
Bill:
Only you can determine what is unacceptable for your ownership. Judging from
many pictures of horrible-condition "Before" Amphicars, I have to say that
nothing is absolutely hopeless. You can enter the Amphi world anywhere along
the continuum, using three these three landmarks.
1. You want a running, swimming Amphi right now! All you want to do is wash
& wax it, and fill the gas tank. You want a professionally restored Amphi,
and there are several talented guys who would love to help you own that
dream. All you need is lots of money. Currently, about $30k ought to be a
decent budget.
2. You want an Amphi, and you can do some moderate work yourself. You have a
place in the garage so you can devote a lot of your spare time to Amphi
work. You will accept a running car that may have some serious leaks, but
short-term patching is within your abilities. You can have a decent running
Amphi that will keep you both having fun and fixing things. Budget around
$12k.
3. You live to weld. You are not intimidated by an engine stored in 6
cardboard boxes. You have a mini machine shop in your garage, with
duplicates of everything in Metric sizes too, and your girlfriend works at
NAPA. You might start your multi-year project with a $1000 pathetic, partial
chassis shell.
I'll add a few more comments directed to the brave souls attracted to option
#3. Anything can be reverse-engineered, given enough time and resources, but
some Amphi-specific parts will stretch the ability of even a master
craftsman. For instance, if you buy a chassis shell, but it's missing the
transmissions, than you may be in a hopeless situation unless you can buy a
transmission somewhere. Good luck! This will eat up much of the savings you
made in buying the shell chassis! Now, if you're missing an engine, that's a
lot easier. Triumph 1147's are available on eBay and lots of other places.
And you can readily rebuild one too, although it will still take you a few
hundred dollars for that task alone. The suspension is also a difficult
area. A good machine shop can duplicate everything except the swing-arms.
(Plain steel, machined to match the original part sizes isn't good enough,
you need forging and heat-treating capabilities.) Also, some of the
transmission internals ar! e unique; few people can cut a gear. And some
parts just don't have old stock or any known replacements; for instance, the
front wheel brake cylinders.
Back a couple of years ago, Hugh gave me an off-hand estimate (without even
seeing the car) of what I would spend on my project. My Amphi was complete,
but had a lot of internal damage and moderate body rust. He said that I
would probably put around $6k into the restoration! Two years along the
path, and I have spent around $2k, and I haven't yet done the engine,
transmissions or paint job. Looks like his estimate was pretty accurate.
The paths to Amphi ownership (except for the most extreme professional
restoration and the most extreme personal project) may all cost the same. I
think it's just a matter of what you spend when. Spend $12k, get instant
fun, and constant minor repair. Spend $5k, get a multi-year, multi-thousand
dollar restoration project. Spend $1k, and we'd like to hear about your
adventure!
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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Bill Connelly
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as this will be my frist amphi i was wondering what would be the reason to
reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
===========
Virtually any rusted out heap of crumblin' iron oxide can be restored, but
at what price? If a project Amphi initially costs you only $5000, but it
then costs $20000 to restore, that's not really a bargain...unless you LIKE
that sort of challenge or need a reason to pace around the garage for a
couple-few years. Sure, you're "fighting the good fight" by bringing back
another Amphicar from certain death, but on any given day you'll also find
some pretty nice Amphis all gassed up and ready to go for $25,000 or less on
the Club Classifieds at http://www.amphicar.com/ads.htm . You'll also find
a link there near the top of the page to Mike Israel's superb "Amphicar
Buyer's FAQ", which anyone contemplating an Amphicar purchase would do well
to memorize.
~Bilgey~
reject any titled body i found as unrepairable thank you
===========
Virtually any rusted out heap of crumblin' iron oxide can be restored, but
at what price? If a project Amphi initially costs you only $5000, but it
then costs $20000 to restore, that's not really a bargain...unless you LIKE
that sort of challenge or need a reason to pace around the garage for a
couple-few years. Sure, you're "fighting the good fight" by bringing back
another Amphicar from certain death, but on any given day you'll also find
some pretty nice Amphis all gassed up and ready to go for $25,000 or less on
the Club Classifieds at http://www.amphicar.com/ads.htm . You'll also find
a link there near the top of the page to Mike Israel's superb "Amphicar
Buyer's FAQ", which anyone contemplating an Amphicar purchase would do well
to memorize.
~Bilgey~
W
WB6WSN
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----- Original Message -----
From: Art Cole
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
Hi there. Did you see the Amphi on E-bay recently?
Art
Maybe the original poster was confused and couldn't decide if he wanted the
$25,000 red car, or if, with just a little work, the $1000 engineless, dented,
rusted, blue "parts" car was the better deal.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: Art Cole
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
Hi there. Did you see the Amphi on E-bay recently?
Art
Maybe the original poster was confused and couldn't decide if he wanted the
$25,000 red car, or if, with just a little work, the $1000 engineless, dented,
rusted, blue "parts" car was the better deal.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Art Cole
Guest
Ed,
Thanks for your comments.
Art Cole
Amphicar neophyte
-----Original Message-----
From: WB6WSN [mailto:wb6wsn@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:31 AM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Cole
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
Hi there. Did you see the Amphi on E-bay recently?
Art
Maybe the original poster was confused and couldn't decide if he wanted the
$25,000 red car, or if, with just a little work, the $1000 engineless,
dented, rusted, blue "parts" car was the better deal.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks for your comments.
Art Cole
Amphicar neophyte
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Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Cole
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] frist car
Hi there. Did you see the Amphi on E-bay recently?
Art
Maybe the original poster was confused and couldn't decide if he wanted the
$25,000 red car, or if, with just a little work, the $1000 engineless,
dented, rusted, blue "parts" car was the better deal.
Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy
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bill
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thank both of you gentle men for your replies no i did knot see the
amphi on ebay but i will look. so if i could find a speck list an an
ipb i could build a new one with a title but i think i mite get
disowned by all that know me. i guess i'll start looking for
something that has most of the parts with it getting the gears cut
would be cost inhebating as i think that would be best done at an
aero space shop so i feel i now have a realist look at a start
amphi on ebay but i will look. so if i could find a speck list an an
ipb i could build a new one with a title but i think i mite get
disowned by all that know me. i guess i'll start looking for
something that has most of the parts with it getting the gears cut
would be cost inhebating as i think that would be best done at an
aero space shop so i feel i now have a realist look at a start