"Frame off" resto on an Amphi???

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a_colo_native

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What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone
thru a complete frame off restoration" How do ya s'pose they did
that when the frame is integral to the hull? Must have been a tough
job!! He should have stated it has had a complete nut/bolt resto or
similar instead. Nice mildly customized Amphicar with only a couple
of errors from what I could see.

Yes, this is another example of mis-used or mis-understood terms in
the car resto hobby. Why is it so hard to get it right? The over-
used term of "restoration" for customization and NOS or "original"
for reproduction parts and the list goes on. These are terms that
are specific and not interchangable.

If you were not the exact same company that built the parts for the
factory, you are not OEM and unless the parts were produced at the
time of the vehicle's production by the OEM manufacturer, they are
NOT NOS. If the car is not as it came from the factory it is NOT
restored it is custom. There is nothing wrong with a custom car or
reproduction parts. Just use the correct (and legal) terms so you
are not mis-leading anyone. That would also be called FRAUD if you
are aware of the correct definition.

I see so many cars described as "restored", but I have yet to see a
1934 Terraplane that came factory equipped with a 502 Chevy engine!
(yes, there was a '34 w/502 described as "restored") This is
certainly a bigger issue than it seems. Would you rather pay
millions for an original Mona Lisa or a reproduction?

John "Mild custom" Bevins
 
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a_colo_native

Guest
What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone
thru a complete frame off restoration" How do ya s'pose they did
that when the frame is integral to the hull? Must have been a tough
job!! He should have stated it has had a complete nut/bolt resto or
similar instead. Nice mildly customized Amphicar with only a couple
of errors from what I could see.

Yes, this is another example of mis-used or mis-understood terms in
the car resto hobby. Why is it so hard to get it right? The over-
used term of "restoration" for customization and NOS or "original"
for reproduction parts and the list goes on. These are terms that
are specific and not interchangable.

If you were not the exact same company that built the parts for the
factory, you are not OEM and unless the parts were produced at the
time of the vehicle's production by the OEM manufacturer, they are
NOT NOS. If the car is not as it came from the factory it is NOT
restored it is custom. There is nothing wrong with a custom car or
reproduction parts. Just use the correct (and legal) terms so you
are not mis-leading anyone. That would also be called FRAUD if you
are aware of the correct definition.

I see so many cars described as "restored", but I have yet to see a
1934 Terraplane that came factory equipped with a 502 Chevy engine!
(yes, there was a '34 w/502 described as "restored") This is
certainly a bigger issue than it seems. Would you rather pay
millions for an original Mona Lisa or a reproduction?

John "Mild custom" Bevins
 
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antique459@aol.com

Guest
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John, I certainly agree whole heartedly with you. The proper use of terms can not be stressed enough. With that being said..... you wrote <span contentEditable="false" style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></span>John "Mild custom" <span class="correction" id="">Bevins</span> does that mean that you are "mild custom" or is your car? <<span class="correction" id="">weg</span>>

Like we all keep saying...do your homework and ask a lot of questions, or you could just hire someone who know a lot about <span class="correction" id="">Amphicars</span> to tell you what is correct and what is not.



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Subject: [amphicar-lovers] "Frame off" <span class="correction" id="">resto</span> on an <span class="correction" id="">Amphi</span>???



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What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone

thru a complete frame off restoration" How do <span class="correction" id="">ya</span> <span class="correction" id="">s'pose</span> they did

that when the frame is integral to the hull? Must have been a tough

job!! He should have stated it has had a complete nut/bolt resto or

similar instead. Nice mildly customized Amphicar with only a couple

of errors from what I could see.



Yes, this is another example of <span class="correction" id="">mis-used</span> or <span class="correction" id="">mis-understood</span> terms in

the car resto hobby. Why is it so hard to get it right? The over-

used term of "restoration" for customization and <span class="correction" id="">NOS</span> or "original"

for reproduction parts and the list goes on. These are terms that

are specific and not <span class="correction" id="">interchangable</span>.



If you were not the exact same company that built the parts for the

factory, you are not OEM and unless the parts were produced at the

time of the vehicle's production by the OEM manufacturer, they are

NOT <span class="correction" id="">NOS</span>. If the car is not as it came from the factory it is NOT

restored it is custom. There is nothing wrong with a custom car or

reproduction parts. Just use the correct (and legal) terms so you

are not <span class="correction" id="">mis-leading</span> anyone. That would also be called FRAUD if you

are aware of the correct definition.



I see so many cars described as "restored", but I have yet to see a

1934 <span class="correction" id="">Terraplane</span> that came factory equipped with a 502 Chevy engine!

(yes, there was a '34 w/502 described as "restored") This is

certainly a bigger issue than it seems. Would you rather pay

millions for an original Mona Lisa or a reproduction?



John "Mild custom" <span class="correction" id="">Bevins</span>





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John, I certainly agree whole heartedly with you. The proper use of terms can not be stressed enough. With that being said..... you wrote <span contentEditable="false" style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></span>John "Mild custom" <span class="correction" id="">Bevins</span> does that mean that you are "mild custom" or is your car? <<span class="correction" id="">weg</span>>

Like we all keep saying...do your homework and ask a lot of questions, or you could just hire someone who know a lot about <span class="correction" id="">Amphicars</span> to tell you what is correct and what is not.



-----Original Message-----

From: rma@amphicar.com

To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, 19 <span class="correction" id="">Apr</span> 2007 12:06 PM

Subject: [amphicar-lovers] "Frame off" <span class="correction" id="">resto</span> on an <span class="correction" id="">Amphi</span>???



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What appears to be a nice Amphi on eBay states "This car has gone

thru a complete frame off restoration" How do <span class="correction" id="">ya</span> <span class="correction" id="">s'pose</span> they did

that when the frame is integral to the hull? Must have been a tough

job!! He should have stated it has had a complete nut/bolt resto or

similar instead. Nice mildly customized Amphicar with only a couple

of errors from what I could see.



Yes, this is another example of <span class="correction" id="">mis-used</span> or <span class="correction" id="">mis-understood</span> terms in

the car resto hobby. Why is it so hard to get it right? The over-

used term of "restoration" for customization and <span class="correction" id="">NOS</span> or "original"

for reproduction parts and the list goes on. These are terms that

are specific and not <span class="correction" id="">interchangable</span>.



If you were not the exact same company that built the parts for the

factory, you are not OEM and unless the parts were produced at the

time of the vehicle's production by the OEM manufacturer, they are

NOT <span class="correction" id="">NOS</span>. If the car is not as it came from the factory it is NOT

restored it is custom. There is nothing wrong with a custom car or

reproduction parts. Just use the correct (and legal) terms so you

are not <span class="correction" id="">mis-leading</span> anyone. That would also be called FRAUD if you

are aware of the correct definition.



I see so many cars described as "restored", but I have yet to see a

1934 <span class="correction" id="">Terraplane</span> that came factory equipped with a 502 Chevy engine!

(yes, there was a '34 w/502 described as "restored") This is

certainly a bigger issue than it seems. Would you rather pay

millions for an original Mona Lisa or a reproduction?



John "Mild custom" <span class="correction" id="">Bevins</span>





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Actually both my car and I are mild customs. I have had events in my
life that have changed my body from the original design to it's
current "custom" version! ;) Even some non-standard parts too.

My driver Amphi has twin SU carbs and pertronix ign to help get up
the hills around here a bit better. I have a secondary electric fuel
pump for emergengy use too. I did not try to match the "pure
originality" of Dave's car! ;) ;)

John


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, antique459@... wrote:
>
> John, I certainly agree whole heartedly with you. The proper use
of terms can not be stressed enough. With that being said..... you
wrote John "Mild custom" Bevins does that mean that you are "mild
custom" or is your car? <weg>
>
> Like we all keep saying...do your homework and ask a lot of
questions, or you could just hire someone who know a lot about
Amphicars to tell you what is correct and what is not.
 
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a_colo_native

Guest
Actually both my car and I are mild customs. I have had events in my
life that have changed my body from the original design to it's
current "custom" version! ;) Even some non-standard parts too.

My driver Amphi has twin SU carbs and pertronix ign to help get up
the hills around here a bit better. I have a secondary electric fuel
pump for emergengy use too. I did not try to match the "pure
originality" of Dave's car! ;) ;)

John


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, antique459@... wrote:
>
> John, I certainly agree whole heartedly with you. The proper use
of terms can not be stressed enough. With that being said..... you
wrote John "Mild custom" Bevins does that mean that you are "mild
custom" or is your car? <weg>
>
> Like we all keep saying...do your homework and ask a lot of
questions, or you could just hire someone who know a lot about
Amphicars to tell you what is correct and what is not.
 
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