Coast Guard 2--Cubans 0-

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Thanks for sharing that!

If anyone has trouble with the link, try this:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7868881.htm

Marc.



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I'm nominating this guy for honorary membership to this list, heck the Buick
even had fins! The human spirit and it's creativity never cease to
amaze......
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Billiam

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I'm nominating this guy for honorary membership to this list, heck the Buick
even had fins! The human spirit and it's creativity never cease to
amaze......


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Seconded.

Would 2004 Members of the International Owners Club in good standing please
make their wishes known on the new poll found at
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/amphicar-lovers/polls (requires log in)
as to whether the Club's Board should extend honorary membership to the
Cuban refugees Marcial Basanta L?pez and Luis Grass Rodr?guez and their
families?

For the latest on the Coast Guard's thwarting of these intrepid souls and
its senseless destruction of their unique craft a mere 16 kilometers off of
the coast of Marathon, Florida, (after their having travelled over 200
kilometers from Havana), please see
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/7876434.htm and
http://canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2004/02/04/336073-ap.html .

~Bilgey~
 
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:04 AM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Coast Guard 2--Cubans 0-



I'm nominating this guy for honorary membership to this list, heck the Buick
even had fins! The human spirit and it's creativity never cease to
amaze......
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I don't think an "honarary membership" is appropriate. The determination and
desperation evident in this attempt (and the previous one) are well beyond being
honored by an auto club membership. OTOH, I would support something on the order
of a club resolution commending the technical resourcefullness and spiritual
determination of these people.

On another perspective, they were reported to be only 10 miles from shore when
they were intercepted. At 10 miles, we protect lobsters and shrimp better Cuban
refugees. It must be diffucult to be a proud Coastguardsman this day.

Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy



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Bill Connelly

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I don't think an "honarary membership" is appropriate. The determination and
desperation evident in this attempt (and the previous one) are well beyond
being honored by an auto club membership. OTOH, I would support something on
the order of a club resolution commending the technical resourcefullness and
spiritual determination of these people.

On another perspective, they were reported to be only 10 miles from shore
when they were intercepted. At 10 miles, we protect lobsters and shrimp
better Cuban refugees. It must be diffucult to be a proud Coastguardsman
this day.

Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy

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I respectfully disagree that offering them honorary Club memberships might
be inappropriate. From the comments of their family, friends and supporters
already on these shores, as clearly reported by some of the earlier articles
on this latest attempt, it is quite clear that they hoped that the notoriety
and novelty of their vehicles would serve to help publicize their cause. In
this respect, offering them honorary Club memberships AND praising their
resourcefulness and determination should be entirely appropriate and join,
however faintly, in the larger chorus speaking to their cause.

And after all, that Buick IS fjord green...

~Bilgey~
 
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Ed with the Rust Guppy -

I agree with you 100%. It must have been disheartening as the devil to be
intercepted just 10 miles from their destination. Though I live in central
Florida, I learn much more about this situation from the Amphicar Lovers site.
There has been nothing in the papers or on the news in the last 3 days locally.
There was a single picture - the same one we have all seen - the day that
they were intercepted or the next day.

You are so right - not only their deternination but their ingenuity. Sure
wish we could see pictures of or find out exactly what they did to modify the
Buick to make it seaworthy.

This is reminiscent, to me, of the lengths many East Germans went to in
order to escape to the West. I lived within 5 km of the East-West border in
West Germany (in what was delineated as the 5 K zone) while in the Air Force.
Some of you may recall the story (which was made into a movie called, I believe,
"Night Crossing" ) where 2 families painstakingly and with considerable
ingenuity "manufactured" a hot air balloon and made it over the border landing
about 3 miles from where we lived outside a small Bavarian village named Naila
which is north of Bayreuth about 35 miles right on the Nurnberg-Berlin Autobahn.
Even more impressive was the fact that they had no previous ballooning
experience.

Needless to say, the efforts these Cubans have gone to and the heartbreak
of their interceptions would make a good movie and will probably show up
before long in a Hollywood film. Does anyone know the fate of these people in
the Buick or if the craft was sunk or towed to land? I would hope, after the
stir the sinking of their last craft caused that the Coast Guard would not have
perfunctorily sunk it also.
Vic Nelson with the 67 Split
Personality near Daytona


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Arnold Hite

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I am in favor of anything we can do to assist these Cuban refugees in
their attempt to come to the U.S. I am wondering what might help? Is
it possible to send them money with a reasonable assurance that they
would actually receive it? Could I sponsor them in their application to
immigrate? I have contacted the staff writer at the Miami Herald by
email but I have received no response. I will try a phone call next
week. What else might I try?

Arnold
Free on Johns Island, SC
 
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WB6WSN

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----- Original Message -----
From: nelson625@aol.com
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Coast Guard 2--Cubans 0-


Ed with the Rust Guppy -

I agree with you 100%. It must have been disheartening as the devil to be
intercepted just 10 miles from their destination. Though I live in central
Florida, I learn much more about this situation from the Amphicar Lovers site.
There has been nothing in the papers or on the news in the last 3 days
locally.
There was a single picture - the same one we have all seen - the day that
they were intercepted or the next day.

You are so right - not only their deternination but their ingenuity. Sure
wish we could see pictures of or find out exactly what they did to modify the
Buick to make it seaworthy.

This is reminiscent, to me, of the lengths many East Germans went to in
order to escape to the West. I lived within 5 km of the East-West border in
West Germany (in what was delineated as the 5 K zone) while in the Air Force.
Some of you may recall the story (which was made into a movie called, I
believe,
"Night Crossing" ) where 2 families painstakingly and with considerable
ingenuity "manufactured" a hot air balloon and made it over the border landing
about 3 miles from where we lived outside a small Bavarian village named Naila
which is north of Bayreuth about 35 miles right on the Nurnberg-Berlin
Autobahn.
Even more impressive was the fact that they had no previous ballooning
experience.

Needless to say, the efforts these Cubans have gone to and the heartbreak
of their interceptions would make a good movie and will probably show up
before long in a Hollywood film. Does anyone know the fate of these people
in
the Buick or if the craft was sunk or towed to land? I would hope, after the
stir the sinking of their last craft caused that the Coast Guard would not
have
perfunctorily sunk it also.
Vic Nelson with the 67 Split
Personality near Daytona



Sadly, I believe that once again, Ma Deuce had the last word on the AmphiBuick!

Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy


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WB6WSN

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----- Original Message -----
From: Arnold Hite
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:21 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Coast Guard 2--Cubans 0-


I am in favor of anything we can do to assist these Cuban refugees in
their attempt to come to the U.S. I am wondering what might help? Is
it possible to send them money with a reasonable assurance that they
would actually receive it? Could I sponsor them in their application to
immigrate? I have contacted the staff writer at the Miami Herald by
email but I have received no response. I will try a phone call next
week. What else might I try?

Arnold
Free on Johns Island, SC




That's a very humane response!

Actually, I'm very surprised to hear that the main people involved in this
attempt are also the same ones who made the AmphiChevy attempt. I would have
thought that, especially with the publicity of the first attempt, they would be
spending some extended time in one of Fidel's deeper holes.

I have to say that these guys are really sharpening their design skills. The
Chevy was a crude raft design, with 55-gallon drums lashed to the sides, and the
pick-up truck simply held mostly above the waterline. The Buick appears much
more sophisticated, as the body sits into the water. This means a lot of thought
and effort went into waterproofing the "hull", and that problems with door seams
were also solved. The bow fairing looks very good (is it Fiberglas?), and the
whole vehicle was given a nice paint job (fjord green!). True, the flybridge is
a bit crude, and passenger comfort has decreased (11 people on board!).

Here's a bit more background from papers that have covered the story as other
than mildly humorous:

"It was Marcial Basante's, 35, second attempt at crossing the 90-mile Florida
Straits aboard a vintage vessel. He was joined by a friend, Luis Gras, 35, who
also attempted the trip in July with his wife Isora Hernandez, 26, and their
4-year-old son, Angel. Before attempting their first trip in the Chevy, Basante
and Gras had made a living using the truck to haul construction materials and
merchandise. Since the truck was sunk, making ends meet had gotten tougher.

Luis Gras and Basante had both dropped off immigration forms at the U.S.
Interests Section in Havana in December and were told to return for interviews
in March and April, relatives said. But the men were doubtful that their
requests to start a new life in South Florida would be approved. After all, most
of the migrants who made the headline-grabbing trip in July had already received
letters from the Refugee Program of U.S. Interests Section in Havana stating
they did not "meet the necessary requirements" for a visa.

Gras and Basante had worked out plans to retrofit the Buick for three or four
months along with another friend known only by his first name, Rafael, who owned
the car. He left with his wife, Nivia, and their two young sons.

On Wednesday, U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Miami, sent letters to President
Bush, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the U.S. Coast Guard asking that
the migrants be paroled into the United States."

One paper that is covering the story fairly well is http://www.sun-sentinel.com
.

You might try contacting either the newspaper or Representative Ros-Lehtinen.
Further, most cities like Miami or San Diego have a number of lawyers who
specialize in immigration and naturalization issues. Another resource is
http://www.canf.org/2004/principal-ingles.htm .



Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy





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Arnold Hite

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>
>Chuck,
>
I am tempted to engage you in a discussion on proper immigration
policy for the U.S. But, I doubt either of us would be able to convince
the other. Perhaps we will meet at one of the swim-ins. I would be
happy to buy you a beer. We could sit and have a proper discussion.
But, in the end, it is personal to me. I could not have returned
those men and their families to Cuba any more than I could have fired on
those East German refuges that Vic wrote about. I can't imagine any
argument that would covince me to act differently.

Arnold


Ed,

Thanks for the information and links. I'll keep trying.

Arnold


I feel I must put my two cents in on the Cubans. I appreciate the effort and
courage that went into the two voyages toward freedom but how many more
refugees can we place on the welfare roles. The coast guard guys are only doing
their unappreciated jobs. Yes I know they want a better life, and I do not blame
them for that, but look at all the Mexican aliens coming into the country and
taking American jobs. No, I am sorry to be so hard nosed but an honorary
membership would not really be appropriate when there are too many Americans not
working and do not have enough to eat, thanks to our welfare system. We just do
not need more mouths to feed or we will be feeding all the world eventually.
Chuck


>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:21:59 -0400
> From: Arnold Hite <ahite@Charleston.Net>
>Subject: Coast Guard 2--Cubans 0-
>
>I am in favor of anything we can do to assist these Cuban refugees in
>their attempt to come to the U.S. I am wondering what might help? Is
>it possible to send them money with a reasonable assurance that they
>would actually receive it? Could I sponsor them in their application to
>immigrate? I have contacted the staff writer at the Miami Herald by
>email but I have received no response. I will try a phone call next
>week. What else might I try?
>
>Arnold
>Free on Johns Island, SC
>
>
>That's a very humane response!
>
>Actually, I'm very surprised to hear that the main people involved in this
attempt are also the same ones who made the AmphiChevy attempt. I would have
thought that, especially with the publicity of the first attempt, they would be
spending some extended time in one of Fidel's deeper holes.
>
>I have to say that these guys are really sharpening their design skills. The
Chevy was a crude raft design, with 55-gallon drums lashed to the sides, and the
pick-up truck simply held mostly above the waterline. The Buick appears much
more sophisticated, as the body sits into the water. This means a lot of thought
and effort went into waterproofing the "hull", and that problems with door seams
were also solved. The bow fairing looks very good (is it Fiberglas?), and the
whole vehicle was given a nice paint job (fjord green!). True, the flybridge is
a bit crude, and passenger comfort has decreased (11 people on board!).
>
>Here's a bit more background from papers that have covered the story as other
than mildly humorous:
>
>"It was Marcial Basante's, 35, second attempt at crossing the 90-mile Florida
Straits aboard a vintage vessel. He was joined by a friend, Luis Gras, 35, who
also attempted the trip in July with his wife Isora Hernandez, 26, and their
4-year-old son, Angel. Before attempting their first trip in the Chevy, Basante
and Gras had made a living using the truck to haul construction materials and
merchandise. Since the truck was sunk, making ends meet had gotten tougher.
>
>Luis Gras and Basante had both dropped off immigration forms at the U.S.
Interests Section in Havana in December and were told to return for interviews
in March and April, relatives said. But the men were doubtful that their
requests to start a new life in South Florida would be approved. After all, most
of the migrants who made the headline-grabbing trip in July had already received
letters from the Refugee Program of U.S. Interests Section in Havana stating
they did not "meet the necessary requirements" for a visa.
>
>Gras and Basante had worked out plans to retrofit the Buick for three or four
months along with another friend known only by his first name, Rafael, who owned
the car. He left with his wife, Nivia, and their two young sons.
>
>On Wednesday, U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Miami, sent letters to President
Bush, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the U.S. Coast Guard asking that
the migrants be paroled into the United States."
>
>One paper that is covering the story fairly well is http://www.sun-sentinel.com
.
>
>You might try contacting either the newspaper or Representative Ros-Lehtinen.
Further, most cities like Miami or San Diego have a number of lawyers who
specialize in immigration and naturalization issues. Another resource is
http://www.canf.org/2004/principal-ingles.htm .
>
>
>
>Ed
>El Cajon
>67 Rust Guppy
>
>
>
>
 
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a_colo_native

Guest
>>...where 2 families painstakingly and with considerable
ingenuity "manufactured" a hot air balloon and made it over the
border landing about 3 miles from where we lived outside a small
Bavarian village named Naila which is north of Bayreuth about 35
miles right on the Nurnberg-Berlin Autobahn.

Vic,

Just an aside to this. That family moved to Longmont, Colorado and I
believe they still reside there. I live just a few minutes N. of
there.


John

Rocky
Mountain
Amphicar
 
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