Check for movement on the swing arms

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tommyintpa@aol.com

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In a message dated 7/14/04 8:37:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ahite@Charleston.Net writes:


> Is that it?
>
> Arnold Hite
> Still Wandering
>

Hi Arnold,
Where the swing arm is squeezing the end of the axle shaft. NO MOVEMENT at
all between the two. Check to see if there is a little rust around the end edge
of the axle where it is griped by the swing arm if there is it is loose. Block
the car up with the tires hanging and remove them. Jack under the swing arms
and under the drive shafts. Up and down. Grab them, shake them, make the swing
arm move on the axle if it will.
One question have you ever taken the bolt out of the swing arm?
Keep clownen around, Tommy in Tampa


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Arnold Hite

Guest
John Friese posted a note about a week ago reminding me to check for
movement in the rear swing arms before giving up completely on fixing
the wandering of my white Amphi. I can't drive the car much over 45 for
fear of running off the road. I jacked up the car and find no
noticeable movement in either swing arm. But I wonder exactly what I
should be looking for. If I grab the wheel at about 9 and 3 o'clock I
am unable to feel any movement. Is that it?

Arnold Hite
Still Wandering
 
M

Mike Israel

Guest
Hi Arnold,

When I first picked up my Amphi it was terrifying to drive over 45. I replaced
the tires with radials, updated the pinch bolts, etc., and it was still bad. I
actually considered getting rid of it because I felt it was an accident just
waiting to happen. In my case it turns out that the toe was way off. This was
due to the fact that the long tracking arm (under the removable cover in the
front) was bent. Once the tow was correctly set the wandering ceased.

Mike I.

Arnold Hite <ahite@Charleston.Net> wrote:
John Friese posted a note about a week ago reminding me to check for
movement in the rear swing arms before giving up completely on fixing
the wandering of my white Amphi. I can't drive the car much over 45 for
fear of running off the road. I jacked up the car and find no
noticeable movement in either swing arm. But I wonder exactly what I
should be looking for. If I grab the wheel at about 9 and 3 o'clock I
am unable to feel any movement. Is that it?

Arnold Hite
Still Wandering




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David Chapman

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> should be looking for. If I grab the wheel at about 9 and 3 o'clock I
> am unable to feel any movement. Is that it?

Check it at 12 and 6, that's how you know if it's rear axle.

To see if it's wheel bearings or something else get someone to apply the
footbrake hard whilst you are wobbling, the brake on hard removes any wheel
bearing play.

Track and tie rod ends if original need careful checking, wheels have to be down
for that so they have load.

Keep at it, a sorted Amphi should not wander even at 80+ - althought the
steering gets a bit light as the front lifts due to air under the bumper. Of
course at those speeds the engine will be screaming and you have to anticipate
as stopping distances are a bit "oil tanker"

David C


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John Friese

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Hi Arnold,

Your car sounds like is a real bad case, much worse than mine.

Toe in and tie rod ends are the FIRST things to check when your car
doesn't "track" well. Then wheel and axle bearings. Then the pinch
bolt to rear axle issue. Then tires and even a dragging brake shoe
can cause tracking problems.

Hugh suggested blocking up the rear of the car and trying to jiggle
the rear wheels by grabbing them at the 12 and 6 oclock positions.
It seemed to me that the 3 and 9 oclock position made more sense but
that's what he told me to do. I like Tommys idea about looking
for rust around that joint too.

Good Luck,

John Friese
67 White
67 Red




--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Arnold Hite <ahite@C...>
wrote:
> John Friese posted a note about a week ago reminding me to check
for
> movement in the rear swing arms before giving up completely on
fixing
> the wandering of my white Amphi. I can't drive the car much over
45 for
> fear of running off the road. I jacked up the car and find no
> noticeable movement in either swing arm. But I wonder exactly what
I
> should be looking for. If I grab the wheel at about 9 and 3
o'clock I
> am unable to feel any movement. Is that it?
>
> Arnold Hite
> Still Wandering
 
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Ed Price

Guest
Re: Re: Check for movement on the swing arms

----- Original Message -----
From: John Friese
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: Check for movement on the swing arms


Hi Arnold,

Your car sounds like is a real bad case, much worse than mine.

Toe in and tie rod ends are the FIRST things to check when your car
doesn't "track" well. Then wheel and axle bearings. Then the pinch
bolt to rear axle issue. Then tires and even a dragging brake shoe
can cause tracking problems.

Hugh suggested blocking up the rear of the car and trying to jiggle
the rear wheels by grabbing them at the 12 and 6 oclock positions.
It seemed to me that the 3 and 9 oclock position made more sense but
that's what he told me to do. I like Billy Syks idea about looking
for rust around that joint too.

Good Luck,

John Friese
67 White
67 Red



You also should check the play on the rear swing arm shaft (part 4-20-10) on
both sides. The wheel bearings may be fine, and the pinch bolt may be holding
the swing arm tightly to the axle, but if the two Belleville washers (parts
4-20-22) are not facing each other, and have the correct compression imparted by
the axle bolt (part 4-20-23), then the whole swing arm could be wandering in and
out.

Ed
El Cajon
67 Rust Guppy


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markr132001

Guest
Arnold,

My 2 cents since I had the same problem with wandering. After doing
everything else (really) I adjusted the air pressure in the front
radial tires. I am (was) a high pressure guy until I had a couple of
heavy guys out for a high speed test drive. It seemed to track
better so I simulated with tools and other heavy things in the front
and let the air down to (gasp) 15psi and it was cured. I wonder if
all the other things helped too?

Good luck, MarkR in Tenn


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Price" <wb6wsn@c...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Friese
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:52 AM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: Check for movement on the swing
arms
>
>
> Hi Arnold,
>
> Your car sounds like is a real bad case, much worse than mine.
>
> Toe in and tie rod ends are the FIRST things to check when your
car
> doesn't "track" well. Then wheel and axle bearings. Then the
pinch
> bolt to rear axle issue. Then tires and even a dragging brake
shoe
> can cause tracking problems.
>
> Hugh suggested blocking up the rear of the car and trying to
jiggle
> the rear wheels by grabbing them at the 12 and 6 oclock
positions.
> It seemed to me that the 3 and 9 oclock position made more sense
but
> that's what he told me to do. I like Billy Syks idea about
looking
> for rust around that joint too.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> John Friese
> 67 White
> 67 Red
>
>
>
> You also should check the play on the rear swing arm shaft (part 4-
20-10) on both sides. The wheel bearings may be fine, and the pinch
bolt may be holding the swing arm tightly to the axle, but if the
two Belleville washers (parts 4-20-22) are not facing each other,
and have the correct compression imparted by the axle bolt (part 4-
20-23), then the whole swing arm could be wandering in and out.
>
> Ed
> El Cajon
> 67 Rust Guppy
>
>
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