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Michael Echemann

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Thanks for all the suggestions on the Flojet 4125. My pump fried over the
weekend and I installed a 4125 yesterday and it's great. It's quick and quiet.
See everyone at Celina.
Mike


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Mike Israel

Guest
As with any diaphraghm pump, make sure you keep the
screen very clean. These pumps work well so long as
nothing (like a stray paint chip from the bilge)
blocks the screen.

The advantage to a flexible impeller pump, like the
Jabsco Utility Puppy, is that bilge debris will not
hinder its operation. The disadvantage to many
flexible impeller pumps is that they will burn up if
run dry (this includes the orignal style
Wilcox-Croyden pumps). The Jabsco unit can run dry
for 20 minutes.


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--- Michael Echemann <echemike@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions on the Flojet 4125.
> My pump fried over the weekend and I installed a
> 4125 yesterday and it's great. It's quick and quiet.
> See everyone at Celina.
> Mike
>
>

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Dave Derer

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Cap 'N John thats pretty good bilging idea! Also since your schedule is
messed up anyways for picking up Amphi. You should just include pick up
with visit over here. Later Dave the Wave
 
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wick68355@aol.com

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I have a few questions about the original bilge pump. Can it run dry or will it be toast if you do? And what is a close replacement for the original pump using the two hose system and not the sump type pump. The local boat shops do not have a model that uses two hoses. Any Ideas?
Tim Wick
 
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a_colo_native

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--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, wick68355@a... wrote:
> I have a few questions about the original bilge pump. Can it run
dry or will
> it be toast if you do? And what is a close replacement for the
original pump
> using the two hose system and not the sump type pump. The local
boat shops do
> not have a model that uses two hoses. Any Ideas?
> Tim Wick

Don't run it dry for more than a minute or so. It wears out the
impellor.

The automatic sump type are what I use. I remove the impellor from
the original. Disconnect the power to the original pump. Then I
install the modern type in place of the brass pickup plumbing it
through the original & connecting it to the original power wire for
original look.

Now when I head for the water, I pull the pump switch on and forget
about it. When it senses water, it pumps it out automatically. If
you forget to turn it off, they can run all night and not kill the
battery because it checks for water every 3 minutes briefly. Very
low draw and reliable.

John Bevins
Rocky Mountain Amphicar
 
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Mike Israel

Guest
--- wick68355@aol.com wrote:

> I have a few questions about the original bilge
> pump. Can it run dry or will
> it be toast if you do? And what is a close
> replacement for the original pump

It will be toast if run dry, also draws too much
current. Jabsco Utility Puppy is a good replacement.
Here is an old post on that subject. Search the
archives and you will find many others.

Hi All,

The subject of Bilge Pumps is one we have not visited
in a while. Since there are many new members on the
list, it is a subject worth mentioning again.

It is generally agreed that the stock bilge pumps are
best used as anchors. Anyone who has only the stock
type bilge pump in their Amphi is just a swim away
from disaster. (I still have nightmares about my very
first Amphi Voyage where I came all too close to
learning how bad the stock pump is). Having a second
bilge pump in your Amphi ranks right up there with
stopping your wheels completely before engaging the
water tranny.

The original syle replacement pumps should only be
used as an "original looking" backup at best. Should
you run these dry, or forget to turn them off, they
will quickly self destruct. Recently, someone noted
that a bad batch of the repro units tend to draw too
much current and will blow any fuse. I likely have
one of these, as even when directly wired up with a
new HD switch, it will easily pop a 25 amp fuse.

Anyway, IMHO your primary pump should really be a Rule
2000 GPH unit with a float switch (or just get a self
contained automatic unit). (You can also save $5 by
purchasing an plastic impeller Atwood at Walmart).
Check out
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm

for everything you ever wanted to know about bilge
pumps but were afraid to ask. Note the suggestion
that the submersible pump should be direct wired
WITHOUT a fuse.

The only down side to submersibles is that they will
tend to leave an inch or more of water floating in
your bilge. Here is where that original impeller
style pump would come in handy. Alas, I have found a
solution.

Recently I installed a "Jabsco Utility Puppy 2000"
Flexible Impeller Pump in place of the original. It
fit in the same spot and, even when connected to the
original bilge switch, is not popping fuses. Another
extremely nice feature of this pump is that it will
run dry for up to 20 minutes without burning up.

The Jabsco is a bit expensive, but not much more that
the reproduction units. You may find them at your
local boating supply store or order one from
"Performance Yacht Systems" for $205 at the following
link. (No association, I just know they carry them.
Do share info if you find a better price.).

<a href="http://pyacht.iserver.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegen.pl?U+scstore+cpxd2945ff7bcc7b+pr+jab239209403.html">http://pyacht.iserver.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegen.pl?U+scstore+cp\
xd2945ff7bcc7b+pr+jab239209403.html</a>



I did consider a diagphram pump (OK I can hear
Amphipoda's posting about Amphi birth control coming
already!). The advantage to these is that they will
fit in place of the original and can run dry for
extended periods. The down side is that they require
a fine mesh in-line filter screen which means they can
easily be blocked up by a bit of bilge crud. The
flexible impeller pump can handle debris. Since you
will only use this pump in an emergency, or to get
that last bit of water out, there is no point losing
the ship to a 35 year old paint chip.

For tips on hooking up that second bilge pump to your
Amphi see Bill's old web site at
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8389/autosploodge.html


Cheers,

Mike Israel
65 Amphi (white)
Amphicar Digest Admin
 
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wick68355@aol.com

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What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump. I am not one who cars that much about originality, but would mount pump in same area with minimal amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry feature. So tell me what you are using.
Tim Wick
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Mike Israel

Guest
Tim,

Jabsco Utility Puppy. Search the archives for Jabsco
and all your questions will be answered!! Stay away
from the Wilcox-Croyden pumps, even the new ones are
junk that draw too much power, push too little water,
and will die if run dry.

Mike

--- wick68355@aol.com wrote:

> What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump.
> I am not one who cars
> that much about originality, but would mount pump in
> same area with minimal
> amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry
> feature. So tell me what you are
> using.
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's
> free at http://www.aol.com.
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Mike Israel

Guest
<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">This and Jabsco are both good choices taht are near perfect fit and can be run dry. Only down side to diaphram style is if you have a crudy bilge there is potential for clogs. An impeller pump will chew up most crud.
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:05:43 PM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] bilge pump


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<font face="Arial" size="2">Tim:
You want a Floejet Model 4125. Make sure you get the 12 volt one. It will mount almost exactly as the original and looks so so close in design. David Chapman uses them and told me about them. They are also a diaphram style pump and running it dry all day is not a problem. Floejet is also second to none in quality. You should be able to get it at a boat shop or google it online.</font>


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What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump. I am not one who cars that much about originality, but would mount pump in same area with minimal amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry feature. So tell me what you are using.
Tim Wick
Wisconsin</font>



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Michael Echemann

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<font face="Arial" size="2">Tim:
You want a Floejet Model 4125. Make sure you get the 12 volt one. It will mount almost exactly as the original and looks so so close in design. David Chapman uses them and told me about them. They are also a diaphram style pump and running it dry all day is not a problem. Floejet is also second to none in quality. You should be able to get it at a boat shop or google it online.</font>


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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [amphicar-lovers] bilge pump


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What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump. I am not one who cars that much about originality, but would mount pump in same area with minimal amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry feature. So tell me what you are using.
Tim Wick
Wisconsin</font>



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Michael Echemann

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<font face="Arial" size="2">That's correct Mike but the Floejet comes with a fine inline filter which won't let anything past. It's about the same size as a screen on a window. It fits inline and has a pop off top in case you ever need to clean it. Mine has never gotten dirty. It's great because it is designed to allow all the water to flow but would pick up anything of significant size. </font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">I'm sure both pumps are excellent. </font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">Mike</font>

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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">This and Jabsco are both good choices taht are near perfect fit and can be run dry. Only down side to diaphram style is if you have a crudy bilge there is potential for clogs. An impeller pump will chew up most crud. <div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">


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To: amphicar-lovers@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:05:43 PM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] bilge pump


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<font face="Arial" size="2">Tim:
You want a Floejet Model 4125. Make sure you get the 12 volt one. It will mount almost exactly as the original and looks so so close in design. David Chapman uses them and told me about them. They are also a diaphram style pump and running it dry all day is not a problem. Floejet is also second to none in quality. You should be able to get it at a boat shop or google it online.</font>


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What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump. I am not one who cars that much about originality, but would mount pump in same area with minimal amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry feature. So tell me what you are using.
Tim Wick
Wisconsin</font>



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rlgreen_55

Guest
Having a Jabsco utility puppy bilge pump for over 3 years now I have
been very happy with in. It fits and looks pretty good where the
original pump went.

Beware; they are advertized to be able to run dry (and they will)
however the rubber impeller will eventually wear out. I was out last
week in amphi and though mine doesn't leak to bad I pumped zero water
out all day. Got home and check out the pump and 2 out of 5 impeller
blades were missing (and I run a screen). It was sucking the bilge
water to the pump but was not pushing it out the spout.

Recommend that you check your impeller regardless of brand every year
and carry a spare impeller. Doesn't hurt to stick the bilge end of
the hose in a bucket of water and verify operation.

Ron Green



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Israel <amphicar770@...>
wrote:
>
> This and Jabsco are both good choices taht are near perfect fit and
can be run dry. Only down side to diaphram style is if you have a
crudy bilge there is potential for clogs. An impeller pump will chew
up most crud.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Echemann <echemike@...>
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:05:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] bilge pump
>
> Tim:
> You want a Floejet Model 4125. Make sure you get the 12 volt one.
It will mount almost exactly as the original and looks so so close in
design. David Chapman uses them and told me about them. They are
also a diaphram style pump and running it dry all day is not a
problem. Floejet is also second to none in quality. You should be
able to get it at a boat shop or google it online.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wick68355@aol. com
> To: amphicar-lovers@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:32 PM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] bilge pump
>
>
> What is the closest fit for the original bilge pump. I am not one
who cars that much about originality, but would mount pump in same
area with minimal amount of piping. Also one that has a run dry
feature. So tell me what you are using.
> Tim Wick
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
 
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David Derer

Guest
Kind of surprised at what bilge pump went for. I think thats the one
that should have been recalled. Many would quickly turn off on over
load-right when You need it. On a fun note. I installed a battery
isolater. So radio, neon, refrigerator, blender and second bilge pump
have there own battery. Ok I know its a bit early but We are planning on
next years event at Ozarks to be held during Bike Week. ** Ken also
wants to remind this years attendees that Saturday nights meal is
through the restaurant . Along with first time house specialty Orleans
Crawdad,also will offer a full menu all at value pricing. Later Dave
the Wave
 
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Mike Israel

Guest
<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I agree. Given that the Jabsco pumps are direct fits, using one of those POS wilcox pumps makes no sense at all. Sort of like buying 30 year cans of oil to put in your Amphi because it is "original".Hopefully that pump will be used fora trailer queen that will never go in the water.
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John Friese

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Mike,

I bought the pump because I like all the original stuff to be present
in my cars even though they run so dry that I never have used the
pumps, other than to check them. I also have modern submersible pumps
in both cars. Even though I make changes to improve the performance
of my cars I try to keep the things that show original looking.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Israel <amphicar770@...>
wrote:
>
> I agree. Given that the Jabsco pumps are direct fits, using one of
those POS wilcox pumps makes no sense at all. Sort of like buying 30
year cans of oil to put in your Amphi because it is "original".
Hopefully that pump will be used for a trailer queen that will never
go in the water.
>
 
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