battery box

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Tom

Guest
Hello everyone!
I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
(www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one last bit
of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm having
trouble finding any good information on what the original battery box
and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was wondering if
anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell from
that how it should actually all fit together.
Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I don't
know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because it was
Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from Canadian
cars not having Bilge Blowers)
I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails from
Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe to be
original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts hold
anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold down
tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up about an
inch, but the rest is gone away.
http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought from
Gordons go on the sides.
Sure would appreciate some help on this...
One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be battleship grey?
Thanks a lot!
 
M

Michael Echemann

Guest
Tom:
I'll snap a couple of photo's and sent them over to you a bit later today.
The early top frames were grey while the later ones were black. Yours
probably would have been grey.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tpls63@cpinternet.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:56 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Battery box


> Hello everyone!
> I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
> (www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
> I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one last bit
> of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm having
> trouble finding any good information on what the original battery box
> and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was wondering if
> anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
> I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell from
> that how it should actually all fit together.
> Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I don't
> know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because it was
> Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from Canadian
> cars not having Bilge Blowers)
> I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails from
> Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe to be
> original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts hold
> anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
> Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold down
> tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up about an
> inch, but the rest is gone away.
> http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
> They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought from
> Gordons go on the sides.
> Sure would appreciate some help on this...
> One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be battleship grey?
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
>
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John Friese

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Tom,

There is a complete set of photos of your original battery box in the
files section of this web site. They are called "Original Amphi
battery box". How clever of me to call them that.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tpls63@c...> wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
> (www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
> I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one last
bit
> of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm
having
> trouble finding any good information on what the original battery
box
> and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was wondering
if
> anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
> I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell from
> that how it should actually all fit together.
> Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I don't
> know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because it was
> Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from Canadian
> cars not having Bilge Blowers)
> I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails from
> Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe to be
> original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts hold
> anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
> Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold down
> tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up about an
> inch, but the rest is gone away.
> http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
> They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought from
> Gordons go on the sides.
> Sure would appreciate some help on this...
> One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be battleship
grey?
> Thanks a lot!
 
T

Tom Maruska

Guest
Re: Re: Battery box

Thanks a lot John!
I looked through all the files and photos and don't have a clue how I
missed that. It all makes sense now that I see it complete. One more
question...
What is the box itself made of? I thought it would just be a sheet
metal box but it looks nearly 1/4" thick.
Thanks again!

John Friese wrote:

> Tom,
>
> There is a complete set of photos of your original battery box in the
> files section of this web site. They are called "Original Amphi
> battery box". How clever of me to call them that.
>
> John Friese
> 67 White
> 67 Red
>
>
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tpls63@c...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> > I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
> > (www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
> > I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one last
> bit
> > of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm
> having
> > trouble finding any good information on what the original battery
> box
> > and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was wondering
> if
> > anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
> > I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell from
> > that how it should actually all fit together.
> > Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I don't
> > know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because it was
> > Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from Canadian
> > cars not having Bilge Blowers)
> > I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails from
> > Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe to be
> > original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts hold
> > anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
> > Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold down
> > tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up about an
> > inch, but the rest is gone away.
> > http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
> > They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought from
> > Gordons go on the sides.
> > Sure would appreciate some help on this...
> > One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be battleship
> grey?
> > Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
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Tom Maruska

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Re: Re: Battery box

Oh yes, I almost forgot...
It was VERY clever of you to call it that!

John Friese wrote:

> Tom,
>
> There is a complete set of photos of your original battery box in the
> files section of this web site. They are called "Original Amphi
> battery box". How clever of me to call them that.
>
> John Friese
> 67 White
> 67 Red
>
>
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tpls63@c...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> > I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
> > (www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
> > I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one last
> bit
> > of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm
> having
> > trouble finding any good information on what the original battery
> box
> > and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was wondering
> if
> > anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
> > I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell from
> > that how it should actually all fit together.
> > Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I don't
> > know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because it was
> > Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from Canadian
> > cars not having Bilge Blowers)
> > I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails from
> > Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe to be
> > original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts hold
> > anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
> > Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold down
> > tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up about an
> > inch, but the rest is gone away.
> > http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
> > They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought from
> > Gordons go on the sides.
> > Sure would appreciate some help on this...
> > One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be battleship
> grey?
> > Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
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John Friese

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Tom,

The box is actually only made of sheet steel but it has a fold at the
top edge to give it that 1/4 inch thick look. The box is a bit
strange since there is really nothing, except the top clamp, to hold
the battery in place and the box doesn't do much except, perhaps, act
as a heat shield. The battery doesn't shift around too much but I
put a few pieces of somewhat sticky plastic stuff on the bottom of
the box to help keep the battery from moving around. Of course, I
also try to keep the top clamp as tight as possible. On balance, it
works okay and looks fine. The battery box and tray area are all
original in my car (a tribute to the previous owner coating the whole
area with 1/4 inch of tar) and I coated those areas with POR 15
before top coating them with either Corlar 25P (the off white epoxy
coating) or chassis black paint. Ultimately, I had the box and the
top clamp powder coated in a semi flat black. It looks really good
and I don't think even battery acid can get through to the metal.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Tom Maruska <tpls63@c...>
wrote:
> Thanks a lot John!
> I looked through all the files and photos and don't have a clue how
I
> missed that. It all makes sense now that I see it complete. One
more
> question...
> What is the box itself made of? I thought it would just be a sheet
> metal box but it looks nearly 1/4" thick.
> Thanks again!
>
> John Friese wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > There is a complete set of photos of your original battery box in
the
> > files section of this web site. They are called "Original Amphi
> > battery box". How clever of me to call them that.
> >
> > John Friese
> > 67 White
> > 67 Red
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tpls63@c...> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone!
> > > I'm in the process of restoring a '64 Canadian Amphicar.
> > > (www.tbirdsquare.com and click on the Amphi logo)
> > > I'm at a point now very close to priming the car. I have one
last
> > bit
> > > of welding to do before I paint and it's the battery box. I'm
> > having
> > > trouble finding any good information on what the original
battery
> > box
> > > and hold down system looks like so I can make one and was
wondering
> > if
> > > anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
> > > I have the shop and parts manuals but it's pretty hard to tell
from
> > > that how it should actually all fit together.
> > > Besides, my car and the manuals appear to be different, and I
don't
> > > know if someone improvised on my car in the past, or because
it was
> > > Canadian it's different than than the USA cars.(aside from
Canadian
> > > cars not having Bilge Blowers)
> > > I purchased the top battery hold down part and the side rails
from
> > > Gordons, but they sure don't look anything like what I believe
to be
> > > original on my car, and I can't figure out how the new parts
hold
> > > anything down either, there must be a lot more to it.
> > > Here's a picture of the rusted remnants of the welded in hold
down
> > > tabs in my car, they're inside the circles, they stick up
about an
> > > inch, but the rest is gone away.
> > > http://www.cpinternet.com/~tpls63/amphi/battery_area1.jpg
> > > They are on the ends of the battery whereas the rails I bought
from
> > > Gordons go on the sides.
> > > Sure would appreciate some help on this...
> > > One more thing, is the folding top frame supposed to be
battleship
> > grey?
> > > Thanks a lot!
> >
> >
> >
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Bill Connelly

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[,,,snip!] I have one last bit of welding to do before I paint and it's the
battery box. I'm having trouble finding any good information on what the
original battery box and hold down system looks like so I can make one and
was wondering if anyone on the list has a picture or two of theirs to share.
[snip!...]

=============

Whatever "original" construction you end up designing, while originality is
swell and all, there's a REASON that it's relatively difficult to find
Amphis with original bracket setups or even original battery base area metal
in most restored Amphis: because they corrode with an open battery there.
So, I think you might be well advised to factor some kind of protective
plastic marine battery box into your final setup.

My Amphi OLD BUOY is essentially just a "patch job" and not really a
"Restoration" with a capital "R", but the one area that really needed a lot
of work was that battery area. Of course, the previous owner had left the
battery in it for 14 years before I got a hold of it, and the battery'd
probably frozen and cracked, so the acid had really had a chance to do its
job on the whole area and even most of the quarterpanel below it. Even with
batteries that don't crack catastrophically like mine, corrosion thereabouts
because of unenclosed batteries is still a pretty common issue. Apart from
the unchecked off-gassing of corrosive vapors from an unenclosed battery,
the fact that the area is basically open to the elements through those
engine lid louvers just above means that water is basically rinsing off bits
of that sulfuric acid residue from the battery so that it can dribble around
and collect here and there to quietly go about its corrosive work. This
really takes its toll over time. No-frills plastic marine battery boxes can
be had for under ten bucks at any marine goods shop, or bought online at
places line www.boatersworld.com or http://www.westmarine.com . If you can
squeeze one of these into your setup, it might be a good move.

~Bilgey~
 
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Dave Derer

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A metal battery box would be illegal in Illinois. Later Dave the Wave
 
T

Tom Maruska

Guest
Thanks a lot to everyone and their help. I now have enough battery box
pictures to write a book, which I may do.
I'm going to make the getup on thursday or friday so I'll let you all
know how it turns out. Maybe I can get rich manufacturing battery boxes
and writing the book.
It makes a lot of sense to make some kind of plastic liner with a lid
too. I'll try to adapt something to the original configuration. It
seems that there is enough room inside the box that something like that
will work.

Anyone have an outside mirror for sale?
 
T

Tom Maruska

Guest
Just in case anyone is interested, I built one today along with the tray
it sits on. I put pictures on my website.
www.tbirdsquare.com
click on the Amphi logo and then go to page 8.
It turned out real nice. I still have to cut the notches in the ends of
the box for gripping the battery.
Once it's colored, it'll look just like the pictures in John Friese's file.
Thanks again everyone!
 
A

a_colo_native

Guest
Tom,

Spot on! Have you thought about making anymore? Maybe in a
slightly wider stance for bigger batteries? The Optima batteries I
try to get don't quite fit (unless you squint). They will not
explode, leak and can be mounted in any direction. Not to mention
they will keep your bilge going for a long time in the event of
engine failure. Just a thought, I know how time can be in short
supply.

John
Rocky Mountain Amphicar
 
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Gord Souter

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before I went on the lovers.A Amphi friend Emailed me off line wanting my
Last Battery box(NOS) that I will sell. I will take the other one(I am
keeping ) and have it exactly reproduced
by a metal worker I know(my son married his daughter)
He has already made up the metal that goes in the doors and rear fender
behind the outside trim
and the metal for the front hood floor boards, and is working on the
circle for spare tire.
I will be leaving for Celina in about 1 week.
I will be bringing all my fibreglass parts and samples
will have allot of the glass seat bases,hoods,quarters,rockers, inner
fenders and a bunch of bits for fixing battery area in glass...read... never
rust again!!!!
Have 1 off all 4 colours of interior kits made this week to take to show(red
was spoken for last night) and some Tonna covers.. will have u channel and
fuzzy kits.but will not have the floor rubber kits avail in time.
I will be staying at the Mercer county Fair grounds Just west of
Downtown.Just look for the motor home with the red Amphicar Mural on the
back.I should have a cell phone that will work there this year. FL exchange.
386-882-0334.. (it will not work up here in Canada)
info on this camp site can be found on internet but going to Celina's Fair
grounds site.
Gord Souter,Canadian 4 amphs,
ORILLIA ONT.
L3V 6H4

MY new phone # is 1 705 327 2820

I buy, sell and restore Only Amphicars
over 700 different parts for sale.
Interior kits and fibreglass panels my specialty!


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Gord Souter

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I have had the battery box exactly reproduced down to the last wiggle...
Do not have a price yet but will bring as many as we can make by Thursday
with me when I leave on Friday.... FAMILY RELATIONS can be good for some
things!
Gord Souter,Canadian 4 amphs,
ORILLIA ONT.
Cell number while at Celina 1 386- 882-0334
(www.amphicar.ca)
MY new phone # is 1 705 327 2820

I buy, sell and restore Only Amphicars
over 700 different parts for sale.
Interior kits and fibreglass panels my specialty!


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