Backup bilge pump: plumbing and wiring

sublimate

New Member
So it seems like a second bilge pump is a good idea.
Any tips on the best way to plumb and wire it in?

I was thinking about using a submersible with a float and wiring it straight to the battery so it's always hot. Or maybe use a 2nd battery which is isolated? What have others done?

And then where do you run the hose for the output of the 2nd pump?
 

Canadian four amphs

Amphicar Expert
In all my cars I run 2 pumps.
Have not had to use #2 but glad its there,
Located pumps on drivers side in front of trany,
Use a 500 gpm small auto marine unit
T int othe hose near end(exit) and put a foot valve in it,
or drill a 2ed hole and a new hose outlet.
If you have converted car to neg. ground wiring is eay and follow instrutions on pump.
\ I usually juice up fro spare spade on stater solinod. fuse it.
run to a 3 way switch. I usually put it on side beside dirver in the 3 inch round hole holding with 1 screw..
hope this helps all feel free to use in club mag.
GORD.
 

Tedredamphi

Platinum Subscriber
Gord,
By auto marine pump do you mean one that turns itself on when float activates it? Why 3-way switch? Perhaps on, off, auto?
Thanks,
Ted
 
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Bo Strander

Guest
Hi ,
I use a second pump placed under the rear seat cushion. It has its own
wiring direct from the battery, a contact breaker and a fuse on the “hot
side”. The outlet is connected with the standard outlet with a T-piece
and one non return valve in each tube just below the T-piece. Looks
standard from the outside.
So far, my amphi is very dry – I have never (even after a 2 hours ride
in open sea with a lot of water over the front hood and windscreen)
never had enough water in the car for the pumps to catch.
For security I also use a very simple water alarm ( looks like a smoke
alarm) that I place on the floor on a ¾” piece of wood just in front of
the gearbox.

Med vänliga hälsningar /Best regards
Bo Strander
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and wiring

So it seems like a second bilge pump is a good idea.
Any tips on the best way to plumb and wire it in?

I was thinking about using a submersible with a float and wiring it
straight to the battery so it's always hot. Or maybe use a 2nd battery
which is isolated? What have others done?

And then where do you run the hose for the output of the 2nd pump?
 

gzink

Member
My secondary is on a separate switch I put under the
dash so it is not automatic, but for the output,
rather than make a second hole in the body I went to
the hardware store and bought a 3/4" tee fitting and
also a brass check valve that has 3/4" fitting. This
allows routing both sets of hoses to the original
outlet in the body. The check valve is vital. It
allows water to go only 1 way- out. Without it, unless
both pumps are operating, the water would run right
back into the bilge by way of the second bilge pump
hose.
Greg Z. (Michigan)
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So it seems like a second bilge pump is a good idea.
Any tips on the best way to plumb and wire it in?

I was thinking about using a submersible with a float
and wiring it straight to the battery so it's always
hot. Or maybe use a 2nd battery which is isolated?
What have others done?

And then where do you run the hose for the output of
the 2nd pump?







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DavidC

Amphicar Expert
Always sad to report the demise of any business related to amphibious vehicles but it now looks as if it is all over for Mr Dutton.

According to UK company records his company, Amphibious Cars Ltd, stopped trading in February.

Mr Dutton himself was found guilty in court yesterday of selling a dangerous vehicle and may now be sent to jail.

One article here from the local newspaper

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1.95074

and another here on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7368734.stm
 

LAH20CAR

New Member
:mad::032:Mr Dutton himself was found guilty in court yesterday of selling a dangerous vehicle and may now be sent to jail.:032::mad:

Damn, he must really have pissed off someone at the DMV, could it be that they are ticked off because the Duttons can come up the river to London without paying the traffic fine--------------


Seems a bit over the top
 

Ed Price

Member
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plumbing and wiring


Always sad to report the demise of any business related to amphibious
vehicles but it now looks as if it is all over for Mr Dutton.

According to UK company records his company, Amphibious Cars Ltd, stopped
trading in February.

Mr Dutton himself was found guilty in court yesterday of selling a dangerous
vehicle and may now be sent to jail.

One article here from the local newspaper

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1.95074

and another here on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7368734.stm




Following up on these links, all I see is a lot of personal opinion
("concerned about stability", "floating coffin", "anyone could see"). Does
anyone explain what the land and water objections really were?


Ed Price
El Cajon, CA USA
61 Rust Guppy
 

chasgould

New Member
In a message dated 4/26/08 7:43:29 PM, writes:



> Damn, he must really have pissed off someone at the DMV, could it be that
> they are ticked off because the Duttons can come up the river to London
> without paying the traffic fine--------------
>
>
Actually, my first reaction was that this was a perfect example of stupid
over-regulated government destroying creative entrepreneurs and their ideas.
After reading more carefully, however, it appears as though he was trying to make
a specific vehicle on request for this guy, with eight seats on a large SUV
type of chassis, and seeing as it was a "one off" design (especially with such a
heavy donor vehicle as a start), it must have been loaded with problems and
design flaws, as even a substantial production run of cars like the Marina had
their quirks.
As this was intended to haul passengers for hire, it would have to be
regulated much more than a personal vehicle, like the Amphicar, as the government is
charged with insuring the safety of the (sometimes) ignorant public. As
individuals, we should be free to take our own calculated risks, but if you are
deriving income from others who are paying you for rides on the river, the
Government feels some responsibility to insure that you will not be killed by the
acts of a profiteer who neglects his responsibilities.
It also appears as though Dutton may have been callous in court, and mocked
either the guy who paid him 30,000 Pounds to build this vehicle, or worse, the
Judge!
I am not saying that he should be sent to jail, but if your kids were hurt or
killed by a vehicle that had an apparent design flaw that could have been
avoided, or that was overlooked because it would have driven the cost up, I think
that you would be seeking some similar recourse.
Personally, I applaud any efforts to be creative and to design new projects,
especially in this day and age, when all creativity has been stifled by cost
and regulations. However, I also understand how greed, and profit concerns can
encourage certain type of entrepreneurs to cut corners and cheapen a product
in such a way that the user (and their paying passengers) may be exposed to
considerable risk of harm. I think that the final analysis cannot be made until
one actually observed the product and the alleged design flaws, which I suspect
included negative buoyancy in a vehicle which is this heavy.
Chas


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DavidC

Amphicar Expert
Re: Backup bilge (Tim Dutton)

> Damn, he must really have pissed off someone at the DMV, could it be that
> they are ticked off because the Duttons can come up the river to London
> without paying the traffic fine--------------
>
>
Actually, my first reaction was that this was a perfect example of stupid
over-regulated government destroying creative entrepreneurs and their ideas.
After reading more carefully, however, it appears as though he was trying to
make
a specific vehicle on request for this guy, with eight seats on a large SUV
type of chassis, and seeing as it was a "one off" design (especially with
such a
heavy donor vehicle as a start), it must have been loaded with problems and
design flaws, as even a substantial production run of cars like the Marina
had
their quirks.
As this was intended to haul passengers for hire, it would have to be
regulated much more than a personal vehicle, like the Amphicar, as the
government is
charged with insuring the safety of the (sometimes) ignorant public. As
individuals, we should be free to take our own calculated risks, but if you
are
deriving income from others who are paying you for rides on the river, the
Government feels some responsibility to insure that you will not be killed
by the
acts of a profiteer who neglects his responsibilities.
It also appears as though Dutton may have been callous in court, and mocked
either the guy who paid him 30,000 Pounds to build this vehicle, or worse,
the
Judge!
I am not saying that he should be sent to jail, but if your kids were hurt
or
killed by a vehicle that had an apparent design flaw that could have been
avoided, or that was overlooked because it would have driven the cost up, I
think
that you would be seeking some similar recourse.
Personally, I applaud any efforts to be creative and to design new projects,
especially in this day and age, when all creativity has been stifled by cost
and regulations. However, I also understand how greed, and profit concerns
can
encourage certain type of entrepreneurs to cut corners and cheapen a product
in such a way that the user (and their paying passengers) may be exposed to
considerable risk of harm. I think that the final analysis cannot be made
until
one actually observed the product and the alleged design flaws, which I
suspect
included negative buoyancy in a vehicle which is this heavy.
Chas

Chas, that summary is pretty much spot-on. I've not seen the car but have
met Dutton a few times and whilst I admire anyone who tries to build an
amphibious vehicle in 2008 I have to say he does come across as a bit
arrogant (understatement !) You are right this vehicle was a one-off to
take paying passengers across a lake that is big, cold, deep, windy and
often very busy.

http://www.visitcumbria.com/amb/winderm.htm

The guy purchasing the car lives 300 miles from Dutton and so may not have
even seen one of Duttons vehicles before. He was also paying a lot of money,
over $60,000 US, and what was delivered was obviously very different to what
he was expecting.

I've been following this over the last week. A few days ago it was being
reported as little more than a financial disputes between two guys over
their toys but Dutton must have said or done something in court on Friday to
upset the judge to the point where it looks like he might be sent to jail
for up to two years at the end of May. This was the comment from the judge
"You are glib, dishonest and worthy of a significant sentence."

By the way sorry for the title, I did try and start a new thread but I only
access this forum by email and it appears not to have worked. I'll try and
change the title in this reply and see what happens.

David C in the UK
 
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