Axle question

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Greg

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I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
replace an axle and found that my axle has a keyway
but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or more
of you experts out there who have worked on more than
one car let me know if it is common (and workable) not
to have a keyway? The replacement axle is definately
for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to have
a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning on
axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it alright
to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway axle?
Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell? Mine's
probably workable but got beat up a little.
Greg Z.



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Michael Echemann

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Hi Greg:
Where did the axle come from? I'm never seen one without the keyway groove.
I can't imagine it working minus the keyway.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg" <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:45 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question


>
> I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
> replace an axle and found that my axle has a keyway
> but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or more
> of you experts out there who have worked on more than
> one car let me know if it is common (and workable) not
> to have a keyway? The replacement axle is definately
> for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to have
> a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning on
> axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it alright
> to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway axle?
> Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell? Mine's
> probably workable but got beat up a little.
> Greg Z.
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David Chapman

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<font face="Arial" size="2">Arrgh, danger.</font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">You MUST have a keyway and it is such an important part it should be original Amphicar. It's not sold with the axle but it should be in the gunge of the hub. In the UK we call that part the Woodruff key - not sure of it's American name.</font>
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<font face="Arial" size="2">Arrrggghhh, even bigger danger.</font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">The rear hub nut is just about the most safety critical part of the Amphicar running gear. If it is at all damaged (often by being forced onto the threads of a damaged axle) then it can come off and it is by- by rear wheel. Not scare-mongering, I know of at least 4 cars where this has happened, luckily without harm to the driver but substantial damage to the car. The part is a standard metric size but given the modest cost I'd suggest getting a new one from Hugh. </font>
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<tt>I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
replace an axle and found that my axle has a keyway
but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or more
of you experts out there who have worked on more than
one car let me know if it is common (and workable) not
to have a keyway? The replacement axle is definately
for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to have
a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning on
axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it alright
to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway axle?
Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell? Mine's
probably workable but got beat up a little.
Greg Z.



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markamsdill@charter.net>

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Re: Re: Axle question

Dear Greg, Hello hows it going ? Mike is right , you need a groove for a keyway.
A machine shop can do that easily. Good luck, Mark Amsdill 62 white
>
> From: "Michael Echemann" <echemike@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: 2005/03/21 Mon AM 08:34:31 EST
> To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
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Hi Greg:

Where did the axle come from? I'm never seen one without the keyway groove.

I can't imagine it working minus the keyway.

Mike



----- Original Message -----

From: "Greg" <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>

To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:45 AM

Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question





>

> I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to

> replace an axle and found that my axle has a keyway

> but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or more

> of you experts out there who have worked on more than

> one car let me know if it is common (and workable) not

> to have a keyway? The replacement axle is definately

> for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to have

> a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning on

> axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it alright

> to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway axle?

> Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell? Mine's

> probably workable but got beat up a little.

> Greg Z.

>

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Michael Echemann

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Greg:
If your axle has no place for the key way you might want to consider getting
another axle. If original it should have one. Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg" <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:45 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question


>
> I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
> replace an axle and found that my axle has a keyway
> but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or more
> of you experts out there who have worked on more than
> one car let me know if it is common (and workable) not
> to have a keyway? The replacement axle is definately
> for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to have
> a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning on
> axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it alright
> to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway axle?
> Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell? Mine's
> probably workable but got beat up a little.
> Greg Z.
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Greg

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Boy, all this talk has me wondering if it really is
there but I'm sure it isn't. If you looked at it
compared to the old, you'd agree it IS an Amphi axle
which is what makes it so strange.

--- Michael Echemann <echemike@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Greg:
> If your axle has no place for the key way you might
> want to consider getting
> another axle. If original it should have one. Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg" <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
> To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:45 AM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question
>
>
> >
> > I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
> > replace an axle and found that my axle has a
> keyway
> > but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or
> more
> > of you experts out there who have worked on more
> than
> > one car let me know if it is common (and workable)
> not
> > to have a keyway? The replacement axle is
> definately
> > for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to
> have
> > a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning
> on
> > axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it
> alright
> > to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway
> axle?
> > Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell?
> Mine's
> > probably workable but got beat up a little.
> > Greg Z.
> >
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In a message dated 3/21/2005 8:45:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, markamsdill@charter.net writes:
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">Dear Greg, Hello hows it going ? Mike is right , you need a groove for a keyway. A machine shop can do that easily. Good luck, Mark Amsdill 62 white
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Hi Greg, Yea but this thing CAN'T be Amphicar. So if you machine a groove it may come apart under load. Probably should return this maybe someone really needs this part for whatever car it was made for. IT CAN'T BE AMPHICAR. IT WAS NEVER USED AS A REAR AXLE OF AN AMPHI. I think, maybe. Tommy in Tampa</font>
 
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Greg

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thanks for all the replies but I got everyone in a
tissy for nothing. I'm embarrassed to admit that it
does have a keyway slot. There was some dirt/grease
that obscured it. I knew it was a correct axle because
it came from a friend of mine, Paul Rasmussen who's a
member of the German club, but never having removed my
hub before, I wasn't sure if there were some with
keyway and some without. I obviously leaped (typed)
before looking closely.
Gord,
Can you give me the US price with postage to send me a
castle nut for the axle and the paper gasket for the
solid axle? If I send a money order ASAP could I get
it fairly quickly?

--- tommyintpa@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2005 8:45:16 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> markamsdill@charter.net writes:
>
> Dear Greg, Hello hows it going ? Mike is right ,
> you need a groove for a
> keyway. A machine shop can do that easily. Good
> luck, Mark Amsdill 62 white
>
>
>
> Hi Greg, Yea but this thing CAN'T be Amphicar. So if
> you machine a groove it
> may come apart under load. Probably should return
> this maybe someone really
> needs this part for whatever car it was made for. IT
> CAN'T BE AMPHICAR. IT WAS
> NEVER USED AS A REAR AXLE OF AN AMPHI. I think,
> maybe. Tommy in Tampa
>



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Bill Connelly

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It's hard to say without some detailed photos of the axle and hub in
question just what we may be dealing with as far as the keyway or no keyway
question of Greg's axle. I DO know that the later 60's and 70s saw "The
Great Axle Drought", when original Amphicar drive axles were generally
unavailable for purchase anywhere. This was a recurrent topic in the Club
newsletters of the period published by Jim Nichols, together with options
for "make-do" replacements and fixes (these newsltters are available as
scans in the Club website's 'Members Only Area'). Until recently, my own
Amphicar had such a set of homebuilt axles from that period. It's possible
that Greg's "original' axle is actually some other kind of modification.
Since a common issue with these axles is damage to the keyway groove's
edges, it seems to me quite possible that a previous owner of Greg's
Amphicar may have devised some "make-do" solution to the problem, devising
some other non-kosher means to secure the axle with the hub such as a set
screw or some other "fix" (That's "dodge" to you in the UK, David). Who
knows? Maybe they were glued on.

My better-safe-than-sorry advice would be to replace the axle(s), or at
least very closely examine them and the hub against another set of NOS
originals. Maybe a nearby owner will have a pair to lend for this purpose.
Frankly though, since my hunch is that both those "original" axles'
universal joints are very probably worn out or nearly worn out by now
anyhow, and since you DO NOT want these to fly apart on you on the road with
the resulting thousands of bucks worth of reconstructive surgery to the
body's drive shaft tunnels, etc. after they finally do fly apart and smash
everything in reach to smithereens, I'd swap both axles out now. The best
axles to get nowadays are the type with a grease fitting "zerk" fitted into
the universal joint nearest the tranny. Insist on these. Oddly, some of the
older NOS original drive shafts do not have these zerks, which happen to be
one of the more critical and pain-in-the-ass grease points in the whole car
for reasons already described. They also happen to be the grease points most
often overlooked. As far as those zerk-less early shafts go, I guess the
Amphicar designers just figured we'd all happily remove our drive shafts
after every 30 hours of water use and pull apart, regrease and rebuild the
joints. Very odd.

~Bilgey~

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question


Boy, all this talk has me wondering if it really is
there but I'm sure it isn't. If you looked at it
compared to the old, you'd agree it IS an Amphi axle
which is what makes it so strange.

--- Michael Echemann <echemike@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Greg:
> If your axle has no place for the key way you might
> want to consider getting
> another axle. If original it should have one. Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg" <G_Zink_us@yahoo.com>
> To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 6:45 AM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Axle question
>
>
> >
> > I pulled one of my rear hubs for the first time to
> > replace an axle and found that my axle has a
> keyway
> > but the new/used replacement does not. Can one or
> more
> > of you experts out there who have worked on more
> than
> > one car let me know if it is common (and workable)
> not
> > to have a keyway? The replacement axle is
> definately
> > for an Amphicar so I'm guessing it's o.k. not to
> have
> > a keyway but what would prevent hub from turning
> on
> > axle under torque? Also, if it is o.k., is it
> alright
> > to use my hub that has keyway slot on non-keyway
> axle?
> > Does anyone have an extra castle nut to sell?
> Mine's
> > probably workable but got beat up a little.
> > Greg Z.
> >
> >
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Greg -

Don't feel bad about missing the keyway slot. A while back, an older ( older than I am ! ) fellow with whom I talked on the telephone when he was ordering Amphicar Patches told me that his car had a cover that he could unscrew on the bottom of the hull in order to get at and drain the oil, etc. I couldn't believe it. When things finally got all straightened out, ( after I had sent a note to the Amphicar Lovers asking if anyone else had ever heard of such an access plate on the " bottom " of the hull ) it turned out that he was actually referring to the factory opening on the bottom of the passenger "side" of the hull where we all have them.

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