Amphicar - Servicing Rear Brakes without removing hubs and tip for attaching springs

DougFromBaltimore

New Member
I’ve been rebuilding the brake system on my 1964 Amphicar, with rebuilt brake shoes, wheel cylinders, and master cylinder, and new flex and hard lines. A challenge was removing and refitting the shoes and springs, especially in the rear. The manual, and many posts, suggest removing the hubs. The front hubs come right off, and it’s a good time to check, clean, and repack the bearings. The rear hub requires a substantial wheel puller. But I came up with a very easy method to replace the rear shoes without removing the hubs. I haven’t seen this described before, so perhaps this will be helpful to others.



To easily remove and reinstall brake shoes in the back, take out the wheel cylinder. I was rebuilding my wheel cylinders – so removal and bleeding the lines was a part of my process. With the wheel cylinder still in place, I had no difficulty popping off the ends of the springs, and removing the metal tabs on the bottom of the brake shoes from the wheel cylinder. I was careful, and did not damage the rubber dust caps. With the tabs out, the wheel cylinder can snake out the bottom. Then pop off the springs, and all the pieces come loose. When reassembling, having the wheel cylinder out provides room and slack to reattach the e-brake cable to the rear shoe, install the lever plate, and reattach the springs. It is still a time-consuming process, with a lot of fiddling to get everything attached and lined up.



A tip on reattaching the spring – rear or front wheels. Insert the hooks at the end of the springs into their holes in the shoes. As you do them, one by one, clip a small vice-grip on to the end so that it does not slip out. This makes it easy to keep everything attached and in position as you get the metal tabs on the shoes into the wheel cylinders, and the opposite ends levered into their slots. See the photo below. It’s a good excuse to purchase four inexpensive small vice-grips, if you don’t have them. I also used a brake spring screwdriver, with some notches that help to guide the ends of the spring into their slots (photos, below).



Another tip – I made a spreader to push the shoes apart at key times during installation of the new shoes. I used an inexpensive Harbor Freight clamp, and turned around the ends so they would push, instead of clamp. It was helpful. See the attached photo.IMG_3149.jpgIMG_3152.jpgIMG_3153.jpgIMG_3154.jpg
 
Doug,

Sounds like necessity was the mother of invention for you!

I did my rear brakes this spring also and did many of the things you describe above including NOT removing the hub.
Removing the wheel cylinder does indeed give room to install the shoes with one spring attached, then to maneuver the second one in place.

I like the small vise grip tip as those buggers can come out when you are fiddling. I had a crude piece of pointy wood I used as a spacer to hold things in place. It is funny that you can fiddle and work for an hour without making progress, walk away and come back and it falls into place.

Great post!

Mark
 

DougFromBaltimore

New Member
Thanks, Mark. Yes, I had the same experience. One set of shoes would go right into place. The next required fiddling, then suddenly it was done.

New shoes, turned brake drums, new master cylinder, and new wheel cylinders - and the brakes still require a bit of pre-stop planning.... If I could only fit 4-wheel disc, power, with ABS.....
 

mike_israel

Amphicar Forum Admin
Staff member
I hate drum brakes.

Someone did create a disc brake set up for Amphi many years. I think, not certain, that they offered some for sale It was a very expensive setup as I recall.
 
Doug,

Check your front backing plates to make sure they are not reversed. That was my issue and the reason I started the job. As I dug in I found other issues and parts to replace. You can find all that in other threads.
Now I have decent brakes for the first time!
Bleed those cylinders, adjust the brake shoes once installed and you should be able to stop.

Not sure who had the disc set up but I remember something about that. Dave the wave may have been involved, but not sure.
 

LSolheim

Member
Doug,

Check your front backing plates to make sure they are not reversed. That was my issue and the reason I started the job. As I dug in I found other issues and parts to replace. You can find all that in other threads.
Now I have decent brakes for the first time!
Bleed those cylinders, adjust the brake shoes once installed and you should be able to stop.

Not sure who had the disc set up but I remember something about that. Dave the wave may have been involved, but not sure.
See THIS post from 2006
 
Forgot to mention I used Gord's special linings on the front.
Here is an old post about them from him.
He was reacting to a comment about disc brake conversions.


May 14, 2008
Sam in Midwest has a real nice set up on his white Amhi..
they work geart but cost is very high,
When I was in Fl, I had Dan Borgman riding with me and after crossing a large lake, we started talking about poor amphi brakes afer we came out. I warned Dan to hold on and Aplied my brakes..(we were on a paved road with no traffic at 45 mph)
After leaveing a a fair amout of black rubber on the road Dan said I want to order a set of my special linnings.
get all your wheel clys working good, and order a full set of my special Hummer type millatary linnings you will have brakes that work good even when wet! Original linning just dont cut(STOP )it.
they cost $300. for a full set exchange.
I have 3 sets in stock right now!
Gord
Canadian 4 Amphs.


GORD
CANADIAN AMPHICARS:dft012:Canada's Largest supplyer of Amphicar parts,interiors,and full repair service.
Orillia , Ontario Canada (www.amphicar.ca)
 

mike_israel

Amphicar Forum Admin
Staff member
I suspect the hummer lining is harsher on the drums but, for most owners, land use is infrequent enough that it probably does not matter from a practical perspective. I have Gord's pads along with wheel cylinders sleeved in stainless or brass (I forget which). Stops great after many years.
 

SNOWBIRD

Amphicar Expert
This material is very soft and will wear out Quicker than Originals(BTW.. I do have some NOS originals)
Will not hurt the drums. Did Herbs car over in 2010,,, he is ready for another set , but HE DRIVES HIS CAR' A LOT!
 
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