Amphicar Boat registration in Mass?

Just wondering if every other Amphicar in Mass. had to do this. I went to Boston to register my Amphi even though it isnt finished yet, (didnt want any surprise when it was ready to swim). I had my Mass. automobile title and a tracing of the body stamped VIN in hand. I was told I didnt have enough numbers in my VIN so I couldnt register it.:032: I would have to have an enviromental Police officer come to my house and inspect the vehicle and issue me a suitable VIN. I am thinking he will want to see all of the required marine items, bilge blower, marine lights, fire extinguisher etc so I will have to wait til I am ready to swim. Hopefully I wont be on a waiting list when that time comes in August. Thanks for your input, Jack
 

GERRY&LORI

New Member
THE WONDERFUL STATE OF MA !!
WE HAD TO GET IT INSPECTED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICE ALSO.* THEY WILL ISSUE A NUMBER THEN.
*
GOOD LUCK!!
GERRY & LORI

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, canitfloat <> wrote:


From: canitfloat <>
Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20460] Amphicar Boat registration in Mass?
To: LORI064@YAHOO.COM
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:57 AM







Just wondering if every other Amphicar in Mass. had to do this. I went to Boston to register my Amphi even though it isnt finished yet, (didnt want any surprise when it was ready to swim). I had my Mass. automobile title and a tracing of the body stamped VIN in hand. I was told I didnt have enough numbers in my VIN so I couldnt register it. I would have to have an enviromental Police officer come to my house and inspect the vehicle and issue me a suitable VIN. I am thinking he will want to see all of the required marine items, bilge blower, marine lights, fire extinguisher etc so I will have to wait til I am ready to swim. Hopefully I wont be on a waiting list when that time comes in August. Thanks for your input, Jack
 

chasgould

New Member
Hi Jack,
You need to return to the registry armed with documentation from the
club that the Amphicar had this number of digits on it, in its
original year of manufacture, and you need to speak with a supervisor
to help you sort this out.
Tell them that the assigned serial number is very important as it
properly identifies the vehicle, and sets in a sequence for production
numbers, and dates of manufacture, as well as options, color and
details (a little exaggeration here is persuasive). Also tell him that
a newly assigned number may satisfy Massachusetts, but could cause
problems in other states when selling, or more important, will
adversely affect the value of a collector car such as the Amphicar, as
the original serial number is important to collectors. Finally, advise
them that this is the proper number to identify the actual vehicle, as
designated by the manufacturer way back when it was first produced.
Offer to have the actual serial number plate inspected by a police
officer and ask for the special form to do this. Finally, bring a
photo of the original id plate which shows the Karlsrue origin of
manufacturer and the serial number on the official identification
plate. Be polite and respectful, but do not accept an alternate serial
number for your car. As a last resort, if they complain that there is
already a car or trailer or boat with your serial number, ask if they
can simply add an "A" prefix or something similar to retain your
original number, and ask to hyphenate that prefix so as to leave the
original number intact.
The newbies at the DMV are confused because all cars after something
like 1982 are supposed to have a 17 digit serial number, and the
computer fields don't allow less, but a supervisor can override the
defaults to allow your proper number. If you don't do this, you will
be assigned a number which has nothing to do with Amphicars, and your
title will have a number which does not match the original number,
which will create a problem for other states when you sell the car, or
when your kids sell it after you die. They will also require you to
attach the new number in a metalicized sticker or plate which is a
pain in the ass. If the supervisor will not agree to override the
system, ask for a police officer to verify the actual number on the
car, and get the required form from the DMV to have the cop sign it
after a visual inspection.
Chas
On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:57 AM, canitfloat wrote:


> Just wondering if every other Amphicar in Mass. had to do this. I
> went to Boston to register my Amphi even though it isnt finished
> yet, (didnt want any surprise when it was ready to swim). I had my
> Mass. automobile title and a tracing of the body stamped VIN in
> hand. I was told I didnt have enough numbers in my VIN so I couldnt
> register it. I would have to have an enviromental Police officer
> come to my house and inspect the vehicle and issue me a suitable
> VIN. I am thinking he will want to see all of the required marine
> items, bilge blower, marine lights, fire extinguisher etc so I will
> have to wait til I am ready to swim. Hopefully I wont be on a
> waiting list when that time comes in August. Thanks for your input,
> Jack
>
>
 
R

Ron Green

Guest
John,

What Charles has stated is great and accurate information. Don't accept a different vin number that could possibly cause you major problems down the road. You can easily back up the factory vin information including the number of digits, etc. I would also show them a few of the other locations that the original vin number is stamped. All is available in the members only section of the clubs website.
 
Sorry, I guess I didnt make my problem clear. I have the title in my name from the Registry of Motor vehicles and I am all set for registering it as a car. The problem is with the Boat registration, they want another VIN assigned, they say the computer will bounce it if it only has 6 digits, so I need to have it inspected and a number assigned. I will still have my 6 digit original VIN for the Road registration though. It would be nice if they would just accept that it was mfg. in 1963 and use its original VIN. There must be a lot of old boats still around and its hard to believe they all have to do this. Jack
 

GERRY&LORI

New Member
ALL OF OUR ANTIQUE BOATS HAD TO HAVE A ASSIGNED NUMBER FOR BOAT REGISTRATION.* THIS IS A US COAST GUARD REQUIREMENT NOT A MA REQUIREMENT.* AS YOU STATED IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE THE TITLE OF THE AMPHICAR OR REGISTRATION FOR ROAD USE.* YOU WILL ALSO BE ASSIGNED A BOAT TITLE WHICH WILL DESCRIBE THE CAR BOAT AS IT'S YEAR OF MFG.* SO YOU WILL ULTIMATELY END UP WITH 2 TITLES (1 CAR & 1 BOAT), WHICH MAKES IT MUCH EASIER IF YOU WERE TO SELL TO A STATE THAT REQUIRES A BOAT TITLE.
ALSO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX ON THE BOAT PORTION BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A RECEIPT FROM THE MA REGISTRY ON YOUR SALES TAX.
YOUR ORIGINAL AMPHICAR TITLE SHOULD REFLECT YOUR ORIGINAL VIN# OF YOUR CAR. THE STICKER FOR THE BOAT VIN IS A SMALL MYLAR STICKER. ONE IS SUPPOSE TO BE ON THE BACK OF THE*CAR & THE OTHER IS TO BE HIDDEN INSIDE THE CAR.
*
GERRY & LORI

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, canitfloat <> wrote:


From: canitfloat <>
Subject: RE: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20460] Re: Amphicar Boat registration in Mass?
To: LORI064@YAHOO.COM
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:58 PM







Sorry, I guess I didnt make my problem clear. I have the title in my name from the Registry of Motor vehicles and I am all set for registering it as a car. The problem is with the Boat registration, they want another VIN assigned, they say the computer will bounce it if it only has 6 digits, so I need to have it inspected and a number assigned. I will still have my 6 digit original VIN for the Road registration though. It would be nice if they would just accept that it was mfg. in 1963 and use its original VIN. There must be a lot of old boats still around and its hard to believe they all have to do this. Jack
 

slantflat

New Member
Are they trying to register it as if it were actually a boat? One thing I learned early on is not ever, ever call it a boat, half boat, or anything that resembles a boat. It is a car and nothing but a car. The fact that it goes in the water doesn't change the fact that it is a car.



I finally got through to someone in the Georgia Dept. of Natural Resources that understood that I wanted to register a car for water usage. I was actually trying to get around having to license it for water since it already had road registration but they said no matter what it is if it goes on the water it needs the separate rego. I didn't need a different VIN, the six digit VIN is what shows on my water rego.



Good luck, Jack, and I agree with the others, I wouldn't let them reassign a different number for any reason, nor screw a generic Massachusetts only ID plate on the car.







Mike Clark

Stockbridge, Georgia















Sorry, I guess I didnt make my problem clear. I have the title in my name from the Registry of Motor vehicles and I am all set for registering it as a car. The problem is with the Boat registration, they want another VIN assigned, they say the computer will bounce it if it only has 6 digits, so I need to have it inspected and a number assigned. I will still have my 6 digit original VIN for the Road registration though. It would be nice if they would just accept that it was mfg. in 1963 and use its original VIN. There must be a lot of old boats still around and its hard to believe they all have to do this. Jack



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azpaul50

Member
Arizona has one of those dual sticker deals, supposedly to deter boat theft. One sticker is supposed to be on the transom but the number is marked with black marker. The alkalinity of our water would wash it off so I just keep one stuck to the trunk lid inside and the other in the glove box. They say people get this number engraved on some sort of plate but I'll probably never get around to that. Anyway, neither that or even the basic boat registration would affect resale identity unless you permanently affix that darn sticker and don't tell 'em (Fish and Game) you sold it. 'Sides... most cops (river and road) around here cut you slack if you own something classic... Being a westerner, it sure seems you folks up north have all sorts of hassles!



To: azpaul50@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20460] Re: Amphicar Boat registration in Mass?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:41:04 -0400
From: ;




ALL OF OUR ANTIQUE BOATS HAD TO HAVE A ASSIGNED NUMBER FOR BOAT REGISTRATION.* THIS IS A US COAST GUARD REQUIREMENT NOT A MA REQUIREMENT.* AS YOU STATED IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE THE TITLE OF THE AMPHICAR OR REGISTRATION FOR ROAD USE.* YOU WILL ALSO BE ASSIGNED A BOAT TITLE WHICH WILL DESCRIBE THE CAR BOAT AS IT'S YEAR OF MFG.* SO YOU WILL ULTIMATELY END UP WITH 2 TITLES (1 CAR & 1 BOAT), WHICH MAKES IT MUCH EASIER IF YOU WERE TO SELL TO A STATE THAT REQUIRES A BOAT TITLE.
ALSO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX ON THE BOAT PORTION BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A RECEIPT FROM THE MA REGISTRY ON YOUR SALES TAX.
YOUR ORIGINAL AMPHICAR TITLE SHOULD REFLECT YOUR ORIGINAL VIN# OF YOUR CAR. THE STICKER FOR THE BOAT VIN IS A SMALL MYLAR STICKER. ONE IS SUPPOSE TO BE ON THE BACK OF THE*CAR & THE OTHER IS TO BE HIDDEN INSIDE THE CAR.
*
GERRY & LORI

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, canitfloat <> wrote:


From: canitfloat <>
Subject: RE: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20460] Re: Amphicar Boat registration in Mass?
To: LORI064@YAHOO.COM
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:58 PM







Sorry, I guess I didnt make my problem clear. I have the title in my name from the Registry of Motor vehicles and I am all set for registering it as a car. The problem is with the Boat registration, they want another VIN assigned, they say the computer will bounce it if it only has 6 digits, so I need to have it inspected and a number assigned. I will still have my 6 digit original VIN for the Road registration though. It would be nice if they would just accept that it was mfg. in 1963 and use its original VIN. There must be a lot of old boats still around and its hard to believe they all have to do this. Jack



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antique459

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Re: Amphicar Boat registration in M...

Hi Jack, I Had a very interesting experience with the environmental police,
very similar to your. I did have to get the additional VIN but it was not
that bad. Since the folks at the Worcester branch know me so well, I would be
happy to help you with this but you must call for an on site inspection
from an environmental police officer to verify that what you have is what you
have. After that, they will be all excited and give you whatever you want!
Ask for a boat number that may be special to you. I have MS62AC and MS63AC
which are the years of my cars and AC for Amphicar.

Let me know if you need help.



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63 red
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Keith, Did they care about the Coast Guard requirements, flares, anchor, bilge pump/ blower, marine lights? Just wondering if I should have them come see it and assign a number while its still under construction or all finished. I dont want to get hung up waiting for them to come having it ready to swim but not being able to... legally. Thanks, jack
 

antique459

New Member
Re: Amphicar Boat registration in M...

Jack, Honestly, the guy who came was more interested in the car than
anything else. I think that it is more of a formality than anything else. Since
you don't have a title, they come and inspect the car/boat much like Charles
mentioned the police would if you didn't have a motor vehicle title, then
they issue you a vin that you stick somewhere not so noticable and off you go
to get boat numbers.My cars are listed as having 9.9HP and are just under 14
feet (no title required if less than 14 feet )

They are not looking to give you a hard time about any Coast Guard
requirements, they just want to ensure the "boat" was not stolen.

One interesting note is that I didn't have to go thru this with my first
Amphi, just the second one because the rules were changed.
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