alternators

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robert millman

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What is the best alternator to use? My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement. Robert '66 White in Boston


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David Chapman

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<font face="Arial" size="2">Triumph fitted alternators to theengine from about 1967 to end of production around 1980. You just need to find a Spitfire from that era. As well as the alternator there is a small mounting block and then it just bolts straight on. Looks factory original.. because it is ! Works great on Amphicar and should be easy to find even over there. Google for articles with detail, as well as Amphicar search for Triumph Herald and Spitfire alternator. Remember the UK word for a generator is a dynamo.</font>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:10 PM
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [amphicar-lovers] alternators


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What is the best alternator to use?

My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement.

Robert
'66 White in Boston



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a_colo_native

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--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, robert millman
<rmillmanip@...> wrote:
>
> What is the best alternator to use?
>
> My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently
failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs
and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement.

Robert -

Use any single wire GM alternator. The 70A rating has nothing to do
with your battery replacements. The internal regulator that eventually
failed is your culpret. The regulator does just that, it regulates the
power depending on the needs of the system. When they quit working, it
will over produce and cook your battery or under-produce and discharge
the battery.

John Bevins
 
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John Friese

Guest
Robert,

I agree with Dave Chapman about the Triumph (Lucas)alternator. It has
proper mounts for the engine and even has the same terminals that the
Amphicar uses so you can simply plug it in place. You can see such an
alternator in my "1296 engine" photos in the "photo" section of this
website. I bought mine at Kragen auto parts. It's a rebuild done by
Autolite and their part number is 14029. I believe it is a 35 amp.
alternator but your old alternator didn't kill the battery by being
too large. It just went bad. Like Dave Chapman said, they were used
for many years on Triumphs and the mounting parts, fan and pulley will
probably be found at a local junk yard or you can buy these parts new
from the "Victoria British" parts catalog.

This alternator is a 2 wire installation. With this installation your
"idiot light" on the dash works correctly and I don't think that's
true with a Delco, one wire installation. It also looks "correct"
because it is correct for this engine.

Note to others in this group: Installing an alternator in an Amphicar
normlly requires that the car has been converted to negative ground
operation. It's not a hard job to do and I've done it to both my
cars. Just a note so that you don't try to install such an alternator
without doing the conversion. That would be a bad thing.


John Friese


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, robert millman
<rmillmanip@...> wrote:
>
> What is the best alternator to use?
>
> My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently
failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs
and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement.
>
> Robert
> '66 White in Boston
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different.
Just radically better.
>
 
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Daniel & Kathy Gibson

Guest
Re: Re: alternators

John Friese wrote:
> Robert,
>
> I agree with Dave Chapman about the Triumph (Lucas)alternator. It has
> proper mounts for the engine and even has the same terminals that the
> Amphicar uses so you can simply plug it in place. You can see such an
> alternator in my "1296 engine" photos in the "photo" section of this
> website. I bought mine at Kragen auto parts. It's a rebuild done by
> Autolite and their part number is 14029. I believe it is a 35 amp.
> alternator but your old alternator didn't kill the battery by being
> too large. It just went bad. Like Dave Chapman said, they were used
> for many years on Triumphs and the mounting parts, fan and pulley will
> probably be found at a local junk yard or you can buy these parts new
> from the "Victoria British" parts catalog.
>
> This alternator is a 2 wire installation. With this installation your
> "idiot light" on the dash works correctly and I don't think that's
> true with a Delco, one wire installation. It also looks "correct"
> because it is correct for this engine.
>
> Note to others in this group: Installing an alternator in an Amphicar
> normlly requires that the car has been converted to negative ground
> operation. It's not a hard job to do and I've done it to both my
> cars. Just a note so that you don't try to install such an alternator
> without doing the conversion. That would be a bad thing.
>
>
> John Friese
>
I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?

Dan
 
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lah20car@aol.com

Guest
Re: Re: alternators

<font FACE="arial,helvetica"><font SIZE="2" PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 6/28/2006 5:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time, dkgibson3@comcast.net writes:



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I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the

factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?



Dan

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Just because---



Because, alternator's are more reliable, they put out more voltage at lower rpms, they eliminate the normal voltage regulator which is another source of trouble, ect ect

also you can put in a modern radio with a CD.



But its not original, so a car with one will NEVER bring $115K at auction, but then I doubt that one with a generator will ever again, at least not anytime soon.



Just my too cents--been kinda slow lately.</font>
 
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John Friese

Guest
Mainly because it allows you to use nice radios in the car and to plug
in things like GPS units to the cigarette lighter without fooling
around with adapters. I have two 5x7 speakers mounted under the dash
where the 4" hole used to be and on the other side, a nice AM/FM
stereo radio that fits the original holes in the dash and an older
Alpine booster to power the speakers with more than the couple of
watts that regular radios would provide. I also use a moderm,
miniature tachometer mounted along side of the steering column.
None of this is easy to do with a positive ground system.


John Friese






--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Daniel & Kathy Gibson
<dkgibson3@...> wrote:
>
> John Friese wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > I agree with Dave Chapman about the Triumph (Lucas)alternator. It has
> > proper mounts for the engine and even has the same terminals that the
> > Amphicar uses so you can simply plug it in place. You can see such an
> > alternator in my "1296 engine" photos in the "photo" section of this
> > website. I bought mine at Kragen auto parts. It's a rebuild done by
> > Autolite and their part number is 14029. I believe it is a 35 amp.
> > alternator but your old alternator didn't kill the battery by being
> > too large. It just went bad. Like Dave Chapm
an said, they were used
> > for many years on Triumphs and the mounting parts, fan and pulley will
> > probably be found at a local junk yard or you can buy these parts new
> > from the "Victoria British" parts catalog.
> >
> > This alternator is a 2 wire installation. With this installation your
> > "idiot light" on the dash works correctly and I don't think that's
> > true with a Delco, one wire installation. It also looks "correct"
> > because it is correct for this engine.
> >
> > Note to others in this group: Installing an alternator in an Amphicar
> > normlly requires that the car has been converted to negative ground
> > operation. It's not a hard job to do and I've done it to both my
> > cars. Just a note so that you don't try to install such an alternator
> > without doing the conversion. That would be a bad thing.
> >
> >
> > John Friese
> >
> I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
> factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
>
> Dan
>
 
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Daniel & Kathy Gibson

Guest
Re: Re: alternators

lah20car@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/28/2006 5:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dkgibson3@comcast.net writes:
>
>>
>> I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
>> factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
>>
>> Dan
>
>
> Just because---
>
> Because, alternator's are more reliable, they put out more voltage at
> lower rpms, they eliminate the normal voltage regulator which is
> another source of trouble, ect ect
> also you can put in a modern radio with a CD.
>
> But its not original, so a car with one will NEVER bring $115K at
> auction, but then I doubt that one with a generator will ever again,
> at least not anytime soon.
>
> Just my too cents--been kinda slow lately.
>
I have put several thousand miles on land, and countless hours on the
water so far with no issues...but I do not have a fancy radio, so maybe
that is why. As far as the auctions are concerned...I wonder if the
people bidding would have a clue if an Amphicar was original or not!

Dan
 
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John Friese

Guest
In five years of owning my Amphicars and talks with hundreds of people
about them, I've never talked to anyone, except Mike Echemann, who
cared a bit about it being all original. They only care about how
well it works and how good it looks. The changes I make with my car
have to do with performance and reliability, since I drive my cars
everywhere and don't trailer them, and I always try to do things that
can be reversed if someone should ever want to do that.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, lah20car@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/28/2006 5:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dkgibson3@... writes:
>
> >
> > I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
> > factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
> Just because---
>
> Because, alternator's are more reliable, they put out more voltage
at lower
> rpms, they eliminate the normal voltage regulator which is another
source of
> trouble, ect ect
> also you can put in a modern radio with a CD.
>
> But its not original, so a car with one will NEVER bring $115K at
auction,
> but then I doubt that one with a generator will ever again, at least
not anytime
> soon.
>
> Just my too cents--been kinda slow lately.
>
 
M

Michael Echemann

Guest
Re: Re: alternators

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<font face="Arial" size="2">John,</font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks for the compliment!!! I think? :)</font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">I see your point about wanting to improve performance and add accessories. I often consider that as well. All my cars are untouched so I hesitate to change stuff. My 64 green caris the only one that gets used andunfortunatelythese dayonly once a year at Celina. I'm mellowingsome.Idid install a radio with power inverter!!!!</font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">My thoughts on originality are that most buyers have no idea what is correct when buying.I often wonder ifhigh dollar buyers are disappointed when they find out how incorrect their cars are. Right now everything seems to be selling so it doesn't matter. Collectors will eventually want to know what is original. As a group/club we don't have any interest in judging orcertifying certain cars as "correct". If we did amphi prices would still be high across the board but the certified correct examples would be getting very huge premium pricesright now.The long term benefit to the brand would be that cars would be more originality restored. </font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2">Amphi's are for having fun anyway so as long as we leave a few for the future that's what's important. Your cars are as nice as I've seen and you can return it to original without any problems so why not make them easier to drive and enjoy. I understand there are a few Cool Looking customs amphi's being built and I can't wait to see them too. </font>
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<font face="Arial" size="2">Mike</font>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: John Friese
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:58 AM
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: alternators


<div id="ygrp-text">



In five years of owning my Amphicars and talks with hundreds of people
about them, I've never talked to anyone, except Mike Echemann, who
cared a bit about it being all original. They only care about how
well it works and how good it looks. The changes I make with my car
have to do with performance and reliability, since I drive my cars
everywhere and don't trailer them, and I always try to do things that
can be reversed if someone should ever want to do that.

John Friese
67 White
67 Red

--- In amphicar-lovers@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com, lah20car@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/28/2006 5:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dkgibson3@..<wbr>. writes:
>
> >
> > I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
> > factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
> Just because---
>
> Because, alternator's are more reliable, they put out more voltage
at lower
> rpms, they eliminate the normal voltage regulator which is another
source of
> trouble, ect ect
> also you can put in a modern radio with a CD.
>
> But its not original, so a car with one will NEVER bring $115K at
auction,
> but then I doubt that one with a generator will ever again, at least
not anytime
> soon.
>
> Just my too cents--been kinda slow lately.
>

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J

John Friese

Guest
Hi Mike,

Not really a compliment or a complaint. Just an observation.

Some time ago there was a car show on TV where some "famous" hot rod
guy (Boyd Coddington) was chopping up a perfectly maintined, not
restored, 20's or 30's car. This car was in such perfect shape that
his employees at his custom shop were upset that he was trashing a
rare survivor to make a hot rod. It pissed me off so much I've never
watched the show again. I hate that stuff.

Amphicars are a slightly different kind of car though because, thanks
to the support network in place, you can actually use these cars and
still keep them in top shape. They are also so unusual that people
get a lot of joy just watching them go. You can't say that about a
lot of old cars. I often feel a bit sad seeing those "museum" cars
that never get driven. I've often thought about some of those super
low mileage, original cars you've found and I really don't know what
I'd do with them. I wouldn't want to spoil the "cherry" of those cars
and would be bothered by using them. But then I haven't placed high
value on virgins for many years now either. Some things are just
meant to be used.

Enjoy,

John Friese
67 White
67 Red


--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Echemann"
<echemike@...> wrote:
>
> John,
> Thanks for the compliment!!! I think? :)
>
> I see your point about wanting to improve performance and add
accessories. I often consider that as well. All my cars are
untouched so I hesitate to change stuff. My 64 green car is the only
one that gets used and unfortunately these day only once a year at
Celina. I'm mellowing some. I did install a radio with power
inverter!!!!
>
> My thoughts on originality are that most buyers have no idea what is
correct when buying. I often wonder if high dollar buyers are
disappointed when they find out how incorrect their cars are. Right
now everything seems to be selling so it doesn't matter. Collectors
will eventually want to know what is original. As a group/club we
don't have any interest in judging or certifying certain cars as
"correct". If we did amphi prices would still be high across the
board but the certified correct examples would be getting very huge
premium prices right now. The long term benefit to the brand would be
that cars would be more originality restored.
>
> Amphi's are for having fun anyway so as long as we leave a few for
the future that's what's important. Your cars are as nice as I've
seen and you can return it to original without any problems so why not
make them easier to drive and enjoy. I understand there are a few
Cool Looking customs amphi's being built and I can't wait to see them
too.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Friese
> To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:58 AM
> Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: alternators
>
>
>
> In five years of owning my Amphicars and talks with hundreds of people
> about them, I've never talked to anyone, except Mike Echemann, who
> cared a bit about it being all original. They only care about how
> well it works and how good it looks. The changes I make with my car
> have to do with performance and reliability, since I drive my cars
> everywhere and don't trailer them, and I always try to do things that
> can be reversed if someone should ever want to do that.
>
> John Friese
> 67 White
> 67 Red
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, lah20car@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/28/2006 5:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > dkgibson3@ writes:
> >
> > >
> > > I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues
with the
> > > factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> >
> > Just because---
> >
> > Because, alternator's are more reliable, they put out more voltage
> at lower
> > rpms, they eliminate the normal voltage regulator which is another
> source of
> > trouble, ect ect
> > also you can put in a modern radio with a CD.
> >
> > But its not original, so a car with one will NEVER bring $115K at
> auction,
> > but then I doubt that one with a generator will ever again, at least
> not anytime
> > soon.
> >
> > Just my too cents--been kinda slow lately.
> >
>
 
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WB6WSN

Guest
RE: Re: alternators

<table style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">
<blockquote style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">From: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Friese
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:33 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: alternators
</font><span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#ff0000" size="4"></font></span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="537311709-30062006">Mainly because it allows you to use nice radios in the car and to plug
in things like GPS units to the cigarette lighter without fooling
around with adapters. I have two 5x7 speakers mounted under the dash
where the 4" hole used to be and on the other side, a nice AM/FM
stereo radio that fits the original holes in the dash and an older
Alpine booster to power the speakers with more than the couple of
watts that regular radios would provide. I also use a moderm,
miniature tachometer mounted along side of the steering column.
None of this is easy to do with a positive ground system.

John Friese
</span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="537311709-30062006"></span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">Another point is that alternators are inherently less electrically noisy than generators. As the multiple bars of the brass commutator slip past the carbon brushes, each bar makes a mini-lightning discharge. You hear this as a staccato "whine" in your radio. Also, alternators use an electronic regulator, while generators use an external voltage regulator. Inside the voltage regulator, there's a relay that's continuously "chattering", matching field current to generator load. That's another source of RF noise, and another mechanical part to wear out.</font></span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="537311709-30062006"></span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">All this RF noise wasn't too bad back in the 50's, when auto radios had a "vibrator" power supply that caused plenty of hum that helped to mask the whine. Modern auto electronics almost universally expects to see an alternator system, and you might get some noisy performance using them with a generator system.</font></span><span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4"></font></span></blockquote>
<blockquote style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<span class="537311709-30062006"></span>
<span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">You can keep your Amphi original with a generator, but generators are not coming back for automotive systems.</font></span>
<span class="537311709-30062006"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4"></font></span>
<span class="537311709-30062006">
<div align="left"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">Ed Price</font>
<div align="left"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">El Cajon, CA USA</font>
<div align="left"><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4">67 Rust Guppy</font>
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="4"></font><font face="Century Schoolbook" color="#0000ff" size="4"></font></span>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left">
</blockquote>
 
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gtpeterp

Guest
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Daniel & Kathy Gibson
<dkgibson3@...> wrote:
>
> John Friese wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > I agree with Dave Chapman about the Triumph (Lucas)alternator. It has
> > proper mounts for the engine and even has the same terminals that the
> > Amphicar uses so you can simply plug it in place. You can see such an
> > alternator in my "1296 engine" photos in the "photo" section of this
> > website. I bought mine at Kragen auto parts. It's a rebuild done by
> > Autolite and their part number is 14029. I believe it is a 35 amp.
> > alternator but your old alternator didn't kill the battery by being
> > too large. It just went bad. Like Dave Chapman said, they were used
> > for many years on Triumphs and the mounting parts, fan and pulley will
> > probably be found at a local junk yard or you can buy these parts new
> > from the "Victoria British" parts catalog.
> >
> > This alternator is a 2 wire installation. With this installation your
> > "idiot light" on the dash works correctly and I don't think that's
> > true with a Delco, one wire installation. It also looks "correct"
> > because it is correct for this engine.
> >
> > Note to others in this group: Installing an alternator in an Amphicar
> > normlly requires that the car has been converted to negative ground
> > operation. It's not a hard job to do and I've done it to both my
> > cars. Just a note so that you don't try to install such an alternator
> > without doing the conversion. That would be a bad thing.
> >
> >
> > John Friese
> >
> I understand the desire to tinker, but I have had no issues with the
> factory generator setup. Why go through all this trouble?
>
> Dan
>

My reasoning has always been that anything that I can do that loosens
The Dark Lord Lucas's grip on my cars electrical system can only be a
good thing. :)

Peter
 
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John Friese

Guest
Robert,

Check back on the 28th. We did several postings regarding alternator
installation.

John Friese




--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, robert millman
<rmillmanip@...> wrote:
>
> What is the best alternator to use?
>
> My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently
failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs
and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement.
>
> Robert
> '66 White in Boston
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different.
Just radically better.
>
 
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bruce01748com

Guest
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "John Friese" <jfriese@...>
wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> Check back on the 28th. We did several postings regarding
alternator
> installation.
>
> John Friese
>
>
>
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, robert millman
> <rmillmanip@> wrote:
> >
> > What is the best alternator to use?
> >
> > My car was converted previously and my alternator has recently
> failed. My mechanic says it is really too big (70amps) for my needs
> and it was likely the cause of my once a year battery replacement.
> >
> > Robert
> > '66 White in Boston
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically
different.
> Just radically better.
> >
>Hi Robert my name is Bruce and I was wondering if you knew of any
ampbibicars for sale and what it is like to drive one on the road and
water.
Bruce01748com@yahoo.com
 
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