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David Derer

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I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave
 
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David Derer

Guest
I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave
 
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capon23@aol.com

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Hello all,

You can all make fun of my Corvair past,but we had perfect cars and we knew how to grade and judge them.We need to establish a Concours type guide and formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there is a checklist to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the restorer can get it right.. I would think thatHugh Gordon would be the perfect Concours d"elegancecaptain!!! SoHugh "Lets do it!!!

Cigarman</font>
 
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capon23@aol.com

Guest
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Hello all,

You can all make fun of my Corvair past,but we had perfect cars and we knew how to grade and judge them.We need to establish a Concours type guide and formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there is a checklist to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the restorer can get it right.. I would think thatHugh Gordon would be the perfect Concours d"elegancecaptain!!! SoHugh "Lets do it!!!

Cigarman</font>
 
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ECR staff

Guest
>I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
>details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
>reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
>research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave

But those details are what makes a car great or just OK.
I know little of Amphi details, but BJ has a 1993 Defender 110 for
sale as well (a model I know inside and out) and although it is a
nice car in just the 3 photos they have on their site I can come up
with about a dozen problems and changes from the stock/ perfect
example they call it.
As someone else said, BJ is the worlds fanciest used car dealership,
so you gotta take it for what it is worth. Its all hype.

If you want to set things apart in the entire Amphi world from a
correct "detail" car compared to a "nice" car, then you have to
organize like the Corvette guys do and make a judged standard and
list the details and what needs to be where for all to know. That is
when doing all the details will pay off world wide. Until that is
done then you'll just have to settle for knowing you did yours
"correct" so you can sleep easy at night. :)

Personally I don't agree with the Corvette judged attitude, but to
each his own.

Mike Smith


ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864

http://www.eastcoastrover.com

ECR emails are for information exchange only, they are not quotes or
estimates. All work at ECR is done on a time and materials basis.
Install costs and overall project costs can not be given as used and
vintage vehicles vary greatly in condition.

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/FAQ.html

We suggest all 1993-1995 NAS Defender owners read this page:
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/110oillines.html
 
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ECR staff

Guest
>I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
>details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
>reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
>research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave

But those details are what makes a car great or just OK.
I know little of Amphi details, but BJ has a 1993 Defender 110 for
sale as well (a model I know inside and out) and although it is a
nice car in just the 3 photos they have on their site I can come up
with about a dozen problems and changes from the stock/ perfect
example they call it.
As someone else said, BJ is the worlds fanciest used car dealership,
so you gotta take it for what it is worth. Its all hype.

If you want to set things apart in the entire Amphi world from a
correct "detail" car compared to a "nice" car, then you have to
organize like the Corvette guys do and make a judged standard and
list the details and what needs to be where for all to know. That is
when doing all the details will pay off world wide. Until that is
done then you'll just have to settle for knowing you did yours
"correct" so you can sleep easy at night. :)

Personally I don't agree with the Corvette judged attitude, but to
each his own.

Mike Smith


ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864

http://www.eastcoastrover.com

ECR emails are for information exchange only, they are not quotes or
estimates. All work at ECR is done on a time and materials basis.
Install costs and overall project costs can not be given as used and
vintage vehicles vary greatly in condition.

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/FAQ.html

We suggest all 1993-1995 NAS Defender owners read this page:
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/110oillines.html
 
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Mike Israel

Guest
<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I agree that the lack of the "Corvette Attitude" plays a big role in the congenial attitudes of Amphicar owners.
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">At the same time, a "Guide to Restoration" could be of great value and might be something the clubcan consider putting together. There are still a handful of NOS cars out there that can be photographed and used for detailed reference.Restorers must also keep in mind that the Amphi was built in two different facilities with many "running" build modifications. Thus, no two cars probably left the factory exactly alike. Still, the NOS cars should be documented while they are still NOS. Without a historical reference we may soon find that all of the remaining Amphis have been painted yellow!!!

<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
Mike


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From: ECR staff <ecrover@midcoast.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 8:39:26 AM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] advertise


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>I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
>details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
>reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
>research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave

But those details are what makes a car great or just OK.
I know little of Amphi details, but BJ has a 1993 Defender 110 for
sale as well (a model I know inside and out) and although it is a
nice car in just the 3 photos they have on their site I can come up
with about a dozen problems and changes from the stock/ perfect
example they call it.
As someone else said, BJ is the worlds fanciest used car dealership,
so you gotta take it for what it is worth. Its all hype.

If you want to set things apart in the entire Amphi world from a
correct "detail" car compared to a "nice" car, then you have to
organize like the Corvette guys do and make a
judged standard and
list the details and what needs to be where for all to know. That is
when doing all the details will pay off world wide. Until that is
done then you'll just have to settle for knowing you did yours
"correct" so you can sleep easy at night. :)

Personally I don't agree with the Corvette judged attitude, but to
each his own.

Mike Smith

ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864

http://www.eastcoas trover.com

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Mike Israel

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<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I agree that the lack of the "Corvette Attitude" plays a big role in the congenial attitudes of Amphicar owners.
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">At the same time, a "Guide to Restoration" could be of great value and might be something the clubcan consider putting together. There are still a handful of NOS cars out there that can be photographed and used for detailed reference.Restorers must also keep in mind that the Amphi was built in two different facilities with many "running" build modifications. Thus, no two cars probably left the factory exactly alike. Still, the NOS cars should be documented while they are still NOS. Without a historical reference we may soon find that all of the remaining Amphis have been painted yellow!!!

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Mike


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From: ECR staff <ecrover@midcoast.com>
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2007 8:39:26 AM
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] advertise


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>I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten thousand "stupid "
>details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct, when in
>reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
>research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave

But those details are what makes a car great or just OK.
I know little of Amphi details, but BJ has a 1993 Defender 110 for
sale as well (a model I know inside and out) and although it is a
nice car in just the 3 photos they have on their site I can come up
with about a dozen problems and changes from the stock/ perfect
example they call it.
As someone else said, BJ is the worlds fanciest used car dealership,
so you gotta take it for what it is worth. Its all hype.

If you want to set things apart in the entire Amphi world from a
correct "detail" car compared to a "nice" car, then you have to
organize like the Corvette guys do and make a
judged standard and
list the details and what needs to be where for all to know. That is
when doing all the details will pay off world wide. Until that is
done then you'll just have to settle for knowing you did yours
"correct" so you can sleep easy at night. :)

Personally I don't agree with the Corvette judged attitude, but to
each his own.

Mike Smith

ECR
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME 04864

http://www.eastcoas trover.com

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Craig

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--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, David Derer <dmd@...> wrote:
>
> I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten
thousand "stupid "
> details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct,
when in
> reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
> research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave
>
I agree with the Dave. I'm far from knowledgeable on the details of
a proper restoration but I'm learning all I can.

I used to be into the Sunbeam Tiger and they have very similar
issues to deal with. Little knolege of originality and low
production numbers. The STOA, Sunbeam Tigers Owners Association,
organized and formed a committee that evaluates and authenticates
original Tigers. There given an ID # when authenticated and it is
very respected. Perhaps the IAOC could work on something similar. A
committee to evaluate restorations and issue something on a points
scale perhaps. A benchmark so to speak that cars can be compared to.
 
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Craig

Guest
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, David Derer <dmd@...> wrote:
>
> I guess it irks Me when I worry about one of ten
thousand "stupid "
> details. Then a unit is advertised World wide as being correct,
when in
> reality it is far from it. I would think even just a little bit of
> research would have made a difference. Later Dave the Wave
>
I agree with the Dave. I'm far from knowledgeable on the details of
a proper restoration but I'm learning all I can.

I used to be into the Sunbeam Tiger and they have very similar
issues to deal with. Little knolege of originality and low
production numbers. The STOA, Sunbeam Tigers Owners Association,
organized and formed a committee that evaluates and authenticates
original Tigers. There given an ID # when authenticated and it is
very respected. Perhaps the IAOC could work on something similar. A
committee to evaluate restorations and issue something on a points
scale perhaps. A benchmark so to speak that cars can be compared to.
 
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Tom Jones

Guest
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, capon23@... wrote:
>
>

"We need to establish a Concours type guide and
> formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there is a
checklist
> to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the
restorer can
> get it right>-----------------------------------------------------
I think the Best part of the Amphicar Club is the lack of "judging"
Lets not go down that road!! Tom
>
>
 
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Tom Jones

Guest
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, capon23@... wrote:
>
>

"We need to establish a Concours type guide and
> formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there is a
checklist
> to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the
restorer can
> get it right>-----------------------------------------------------
I think the Best part of the Amphicar Club is the lack of "judging"
Lets not go down that road!! Tom
>
>
 
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Mike Israel

Guest
Re: Re: advertise

<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">The purpose of a "concours type guide" is not necessarily for judging but to assist the restorer in returning the car to correct and original condition. Many of the "error" made are simply out of ignorance. Probably half of the "restored amphicars" you see on eBay have the front hood latches installed backwards.
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
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Mike Israel

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Re: Re: advertise

<table><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">The purpose of a "concours type guide" is not necessarily for judging but to assist the restorer in returning the car to correct and original condition. Many of the "error" made are simply out of ignorance. Probably half of the "restored amphicars" you see on eBay have the front hood latches installed backwards.
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">
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Eric M

Guest
I'm with Tom on this (mostly). I stopped going to lincoln events
because of how others would trash my car to my face. I still own it
and love it, don'y really care that the valve stems are 1/16 too long
and cardinal sin .... its painted an non factory color (oh the
horror ... a 67 Ford Truck Red Lincoln Convertible). On the other
hand my Lincoln was one of the last ones made, custom ordered with
every option (in cluding being one of 12 with a passenger side rear
view mirror) and it now has the rarest Lincoln option .. a dealer
installed chrome trim piece around the gas tank. Even the cruise
control work, but i blasphemed when i upgraded to the electronic
ignition (gas mileage went from 8mpg to 12... huge difference)... and
it goes on.

On the other hand it would be nice to have a document that defines
what "correct" is for an Amphi along with the numerous weird
variations (i.e. since they weren't titled till sold a car
manufactured in 62 and sold in 67 would be a "67" but without lips or
the crinkle dash (to name but a few).

Well ...thats my rant for tonight...

Eric (back in Chicago for a spell)



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jones" <amphigill@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, capon23@ wrote:
> >
> >
>
> "We need to establish a Concours type guide and
> > formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there
is a
> checklist
> > to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the
> restorer can
> > get it right>----------------------------------------------------
-
> I think the Best part of the Amphicar Club is the lack of "judging"
> Lets not go down that road!! Tom
> >
> >
>
 
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Eric M

Guest
I'm with Tom on this (mostly). I stopped going to lincoln events
because of how others would trash my car to my face. I still own it
and love it, don'y really care that the valve stems are 1/16 too long
and cardinal sin .... its painted an non factory color (oh the
horror ... a 67 Ford Truck Red Lincoln Convertible). On the other
hand my Lincoln was one of the last ones made, custom ordered with
every option (in cluding being one of 12 with a passenger side rear
view mirror) and it now has the rarest Lincoln option .. a dealer
installed chrome trim piece around the gas tank. Even the cruise
control work, but i blasphemed when i upgraded to the electronic
ignition (gas mileage went from 8mpg to 12... huge difference)... and
it goes on.

On the other hand it would be nice to have a document that defines
what "correct" is for an Amphi along with the numerous weird
variations (i.e. since they weren't titled till sold a car
manufactured in 62 and sold in 67 would be a "67" but without lips or
the crinkle dash (to name but a few).

Well ...thats my rant for tonight...

Eric (back in Chicago for a spell)



--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jones" <amphigill@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, capon23@ wrote:
> >
> >
>
> "We need to establish a Concours type guide and
> > formula so that when someone restores a car to perfection, there
is a
> checklist
> > to look over whether it is a original or restored model so the
> restorer can
> > get it right>----------------------------------------------------
-
> I think the Best part of the Amphicar Club is the lack of "judging"
> Lets not go down that road!! Tom
> >
> >
>
 
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